Tucker Carlson, Tough Guy
Hat tip to Media Matters who first picked up on this. While discussing the Senator Craig scandal last night on MSNBC, macho right-wing tough guy Tucker Carlson tells Joe Scarborough and Dan Abrams about his own high school era run-in with an over-aggressive male in a public bathroom. According to Tucker, upon being "bothered" by this man:
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“I went back with someone I knew and grabbed the guy by the — you know, and grabbed him, and … hit him against the stall with his head, actually.”
Tucker released this statement to MM earlier:
Let me be clear about an incident I referred to on MSNBC last night: In the mid-1980s, while I was a high school student, a man physically grabbed me in a men’s room in Washington, DC. I yelled, pulled away from him and ran out of the room. Twenty-five minutes later, a friend of mine and I returned to the men’s room. The man was still there, presumably waiting to do to someone else what he had done to me. My friend and I seized the man and held him until a security guard arrived.
Several bloggers have characterized this is a sort of gay bashing. That’s absurd, and an insult to anybody who has fought back against an unsolicited sexual attack. I wasn’t angry with the man because he was gay. I was angry because he assaulted me.
So the story goes from Tucker fetching his buddy and hitting this guys head against a stall, to him running away screaming, only to later come back and hold him down. Which one is it, Tucker? Either way you're a weenie.
UPDATE: Media Matters wants MSNBC to account for Carlson's statements
Tucker admit it, what actually happened was you were bent over a toilet and used by everyone in the room.
oh yeah
Another shining example of "These guys don't know when to shut the fuck up." What a douche hole.
Why is he telling us this story?
Is he trying to convince us that he isn't gay?
Does he feel the need to prove that he isn't gay?
Why?
Is he actually gay?
I doubt if Fucker Carlson is a "weenie", to be such you have to have balls and
he is lacking those and a brain upstairs. MSNBC: Get rid of that egotistical
idiot...pleeeeeeease.
Like every other wingnut, he simply makes shit up. They constantly rewrite reality to fit their fantasy projections of self. Thus "winning in Iraq." Are we really winning in Iraq? They don't care. If they say we are, we are.
If Tucker is a tough guy in his own mind, he simply needs to make up anecdotes to prove it.
Another day in the life of the fact-free frauds who make up the wingnuts of America.
Oh yeah AND he uses the term "bothering"....what a fucking weenie.
Let me get this straight…a teenaged Tucker Carlson was assaulted in a men’s bathroom, escaped, then returned 25 minutes later with a friend in the hopes that the man would still be in the bathroom so that Carlson could make a citizens arrest?
Get the F$%* out of here.
So if you fight back when attacked, flee when attacked, or get the authorities when attacked, you're a weeny? Let's not victim bash here guys. Although I'm sure that there's a good chance that the actual events (if any) vary greatly from the way he remembers it from time to time. But really, try not to attack someone for standing up for themselves, even if it's only in their head.
I cant help but think of the guy in "brain Candy" that needs to take Gleemonex to realise he's gay.
classic movie.
Tucker's first response was to touch another mans penis. My how macho.
-GSD
where's the bow tie?
Poor Tuck Tuck! No one used to take him seriously because he wore bowties. He stopped wearing bowties, and still no one takes him seriously. So what does he do? He has to manufacture a story about defending his heterosexual honor by beating up a gay man. My question is, was the young Tucker wearing knicers and a bowtie at the time, or just the knickers?
you mean Tucker's out of High School?
I think Tucker is fibbing. He may have went back to exchange phone numbers though.
YEAH, REAL TOUGH GUY, THAT TUCKER. HAD TO GO FIND SOMEONE TO HELP W/ HIS FIGHT!!
Tucker was just a high school kid and was attacked by a grown man. His later explanation is the most complete because his first comment was offhand.
The man is a major weenie but not because of this.
The real story is that Tucker actually loved it and that's why he returned with a very gooooood friend for a threesome.
Hot on the heels of the Iraq "surge" comes the homosexual "purge" of our government.
Soon, it will be okay for gays to serve in our overstretched military (especially once the draft is reinstated) but not hold political office.
Bet on it.
Ed @ 9:
Yeah, he probably just got embarrassed over something during the act. So he had to attack the guy, so he wouldn't tell everyone.
This is just one of Tucker's fantasies, and it's still under construction.
Not really worthy of our time IMHO.
What really happened is that he was correctly identified with gaydar by the botherer; [T]ucker felt so icky after he gave in to his feminine desires that he he had to go get his macho buddy to pound on this "gay" dude. I wonder if [T]ucker was offered $ or was just easy.
Ah! The enlightened political discourse continues on the Amerikan Media. These three clowns sounded like eighth grade testosterone cases. Giggle, giggle!
C&L,
You guys need to add to this story. Apparently when they showed this later, MSNBC left out the part where Tucker assaulted the guy (according to Media Matters anyway).
Yeah sure... as a homo, I can tell you that I would just be REALLY "bothered" if some hot guy wanted to have sex with me... yep... that would be just awful!!!
Regardless, I would bottom for Tucker, if he was up to it...
TxExSpeedy @ 22:
Yeah, I wondered why this guy assumed Tucker was gay.
Tucker....classic bottom.
Maybe the guy just wanted his bow tie?
Wait - at what point in the story did Tucker suck the guy's cock?
The guy probably thought he was really dealing with a woman since tucker's high voice and mannerisms are so feminine.
#30 especially when he "screamed."
This little turkey was on Ed Schultz yesterday and wasted no time comparing "Widestance" Craig to Bill Clinton, then stayed on Bill Clinton. Big "Doofus" Ed, of course, didn't stop him and let him go on with his stupid bout of Clinton Envy. The only bright spot was that this was the first time I ever heard Tucker the Pucker admit to something like "a conservative like me".
Wow! Accidental truth. The only you'll get it out of a conservative talking head.
Is there anything else going on besides this Senator Craig bullshit?
Guess not.
Here is my Tucker solution....
If he is on my TV, I change the channel....
I have had enough of this fool...
He is the weakest link on MSNBC....
I think Tucker is what we homos call an "agressive bottom"... he holds his own legs up.
"So you’re happy to take Tucker’s word without a shred of evidence, pretending a right-wing talking-head has no motivation to make up stories promoting homophobic stereotypes, but you’re not a trolling freeper?
Riiiight.
I'll take anyone's word, definitely when dealing with assault. Just because I disagree with someone politically time to time doesn't make me discredit him if he reveals he has been assaulted.
Where is he advocating gay bashing? He isn't. People here are over exaggerating.
Now on to the "trolling freeper" business. Who am I attacking in these comments? I have attacked no one, I simply stated that all this hatred and mocking is not right. I mean one person even stated that Tucker was probably bent over and everyone going at him (others saying things that are on the verge of being anti-gay). I mean, I find those comments are demeaning, not only to Tucker Carlson, but to the gay community.
I am also not affiliated with any party and vote Democrat, Green, Independent. To call me a freeper is just as absurd.
George Bush could never engage in a discussion even of this comedic caliber. The issue is not whether Tuckie is a victim or not. I'm just having fun with him at his expense, which he richly deserves, because he CLAIMS victim status without any facts to back it up. He airs his own dirty laundry (or several versions of it) when he should remain detached and let his GUESTS relate their experiences (backed up with police reports, etc.). The goalposts stay where they are. He is an unprofessional journalist.
wha? @ 347:
I don't know if Tuckie is 100% liar, but he sure can shovel the bullshit with both hands. He's got a lot of these apochryphal stories; a smarter, pro-war friend, mythical bathroom perverts, citing literally "hundreds" of European studies confirming his opposition to euthanasia on "Real Time", and the list goes on. As for the gay jokes, at the very least, Tuckie has Napolean syndrome, and his comment last year during that brilliant piece of neo-con, carpet-bombing diplomacy, that "Beirut even has gay bars" has to raise suspicions that the bowtie might just be another men's room cruising code.
What's next?
Tucker claims that he once fought off a pack of Transgender Skinheads?
Carson Tucker lies. That's what he does. That's his gig. He spins, recites Reich Wing talking points and lies some more.
Isn't Tuckie some sort of war monger as well? Why doesn't he go sign up? Probably afraid someone would "bother" him?
I don't believe a word of what Tucker is saying. First I don't think any gay guy would proposition Tucker. Secondly, I don't think Tucker would turn down any proposition. Thirdly, I wonder how Tucker knows the signs of propositioning? Fourthly, I don't think Tucker would have gone out and found a friend then gone back into the restroom to find the guy still there. Fifthly, I think the best Mr. Bowtie could do would be an effeminate slap, not a punch. Sixthly, I think Tucker, not the gay guy, would have come out of the situation busted up.
All I can say is I wished I had witnessed Mr. Bowtie just trying to rough up someone. Would have been hilarious.
I think Tucker embellished to make sure everyone knows he isn't gay. I think him leaving getting someone, beating the guy, and then the cops swooping in is a very unlikely scenario. The final phrase by Tucker cracked me up for some reason.
"I think it's nasty"
With that tone of voice, too much.
In the original on the air version Tucker clearly stated that the individual was "arrested." Here is the exact quote "And then the cops came and arrested him." This means that there should be a written record of the incident in the arrest report and obviously Tuckers name would be in it since he states he was a minor who was assaulted.
In Tuckers revised statement posted on line he changes his story. The cops no longer come and arrest anyone, a security guard comes to the scene. Here is what he writes in his statement "My friend and I seized the man and held him until a security guard arrived."
Obviously this incident never happened and Tucker made of the story. He changed his story later once he realized that an actual police arrest would have left a paper trail, so he changed the cop into a security guard.
to wha? and all the other concern trolls....
Let's back up and remember who we're talking about, and what the context was. Tucker writes columns and is the host of a TV show. He makes a living by expressing himself in words. So, yes, I give his choice of words a bit more significance than if he were someone else.
He brought up this "incident" in the context of discussing men soliciting sex in public washrooms, specifically the Craig case. He didn't say (originally) that he was assaulted, grabbed, touched, molested, or anything that suggests anything physical. He said "bothered". Read the transcript. The context is clear. They are discussing the repeated accusations against Craig that he solicited for sex. That is the "bothering" that Tucker is talking about.
I'd have no problem if Tucker was upset, annoyed, repulsed, offended, or grossed out. But to go get a friend (apparently it took him a while to find a friend!), come back and beat up the person is not appropriate behavior. At least, not unless you're a Republican. Just listen to Abrams and Scarborough laugh about it.
If propositioning another person for sex makes someone a "predator", than I'd wager the majority of the population over the age of 16 are predators.
Court Jester @ 368:
Does Tucker need a rent-a-friend?
External Conflict: "Am I Gay Or Am I Not Gay?"
I think every human being is faced with the question which is their sexual preference at a point in their life. It is usually a silent process no one knows about. It is not talked about out loud. It is considered; a choice is made; we go about our lives. The point is it is private and personal.
What happens when the consideration noted above is done outwardly? Tucker Carlson's claim to bring a friend back to the restroom for a "fight" was nothing more than and external battle of a conflicting nature. In front of god, his buddies, and the rest of the world, Carlson told how he outwardly worked out his conflict of whether he was gay or not. Very dysfunctional and telling indeed.
Joseph
I hope Tucker got boned up the ass BIG TIME. Tucker is such an irritating little shit.
Again, you guys assume a lot. I hope the details do come out because from a sane person's point of view, it appears he got grabbed, freaked out, and got a friend and went back. I could be wrong, but at least I can admit that. You guys are soooo sure, and all you have is word choices. What am I saying that is pissing you off so much besides, "yah know, he might be telling the truth". You guys are extremists and I bet you have heard that before. You know it and I struck a nerve because I called you on the hypocrisy of hate and judgement, and blaming a victim as a hand-ful of jocks would a rape victim.
Enjoy LaLa land
Wha?:
What am I saying that is pissing you off.."
Um, you've repeated several times now the phrase "sane person" - so anyone who disagrees with your take is apparently insane. That tends to piss people off. Just so you know.
At least we're talking about word "choices". You have chosen one interpretation without any explanation and you toss out insults when we disagree with you. Oh, I forgot, we're "extremists".
We mock Tucker because we don't believe he's a victim. The legal system takes credibility into consideration when trying to establish the truth of testimony. Tucker has no credibility. If you've studied his body of work, you'd know that he basically lies for a living.
wha? @ 372:
Was Tucker "Bow Tie" Carlson a victim? Yes, he probably was. The gay guy probably managed to rape him despite his and his best friends valiant efforts....
:lol:
...and no thanks. We'll let you tell us how LaLa land is, without us having to go there.
Court Jester @ 373:
I can't stand him. He's a right wing twirp. I'm sorry if you think I am calling all of you extremists. Just the ones who are %100 sure he's lying about this specific case. That's crazy because his story seems reasonable, and you have no proof. I'm not claiming he's telling the truth. I'm only saying it appears he might be. The people who are sure he's lying about it are the certain one's who have nothing to back it up. If you are absolutely certain he's lying about this specific thing, yes, I'm calling you a little wacky.
And name calling, gimme a break. Look back at my posts and compare what I have been calledd to what I have called people and you will see it's pretty lop-sided the otehre way.
I should have specified about who I was calling extremists. If you are absolutely %100 sure he's lying about this specifically, I'm talking to you.
jwf @ 362:
I would agree with all of that. I don't like him either. That doesn't prove he's lying about an incident in high-school
wha? @ 372:
So you're saying Tucker "Bow Tie" Carlson is a victim? Yes, he probably is, and probably a "rape victim", despite the best efforts of him and his friend to beat the shit out of the gay guy...
:lol:
...and no thanks about the invitation to join you in LaLa Land. We'll pass and let you tell us how it is there.
Good Lord. Whether he's lying or not he comes off as an little prick who's over compensating.
Otay @ 376:
Gay guy!? I know a lot of gay people who would get all over you for that for not calling him a predator instead. You're actually defending the predator. the man who tried to force sex acts on a kid in a public bathroom.
wow
Cantor de Mambo @ 377:
That we can agree on.
wha? @ 378:
Well, actually, only a wingnut would believe the story ever happened. You know, the type of person who invents (sorry, makes) their own reality.
Otay @ 380:
Nice way to avoid adressing hte fact that you're into defending predators, and calling him only a gay guy. So does that mean all gay guys are predators in you're eyes?
And again, I'm not inventing reality. You're the one who's certain. I'm undecided. And I'm the wacko?!?!? whatever
wha? @ 381:
First recommendation: learn to read. First, you are the one calling the figment of Tucker's imagination a predator. Second, How could I be defending a predator if I don't think a predatory event even occurred? Third, How can anyone believe anything Tucker said when he keeps changing his story - a story that doesn't make any sense to begin with?
Fourth, you were the one who mentioned LaLa Land. I just refused your invitation to join you.
375 wha? Says:
would agree with all of that. I don’t like him either. That doesn’t prove he’s lying about an incident in high-school
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August 30th, 2007 at 7:29 PM - PDT Like all right-wingers' stories, Tuckie Bowtie's usually have some kernel of truth to them. I've never said he's a "100% liar" as you put it. The expression from my neighborhood that comes to mind when he talks is that he's more full of shit than a Christmas turkey. But it certainly no stretch to say that in his pampered prep school youth that this dork was picked on, harassed, pantsed, stuffed into lockers and otherwise "bothered" by just about everyone, including members of the chess club. So he's probably morphed these countless humiliations into a "public bathroom pervert" and then added his own Dirty Harry-like ending. It's a common right-wingnut scenario made famous by the famous senile dimwit, Ronnie Raygun. If you don't like the facts, just make up your own narrative.
And around and round we go. Tucker is a turd, a dick even. He portrays himself as a fun lovable right leaning moderate. But behind all of that, he's sneaky about pushing his very conservative values in the form of slanted questions and stuff like that. I can't stand him.
But his story has no holes, he was asked about it, he didn't pop it on everyone. And his story didn't change. "Bothered" could very well be a word he used to gloss over the incident, because his goal was to talk about predators, not the specifics of his situation. Because everyone asked it out of him. He wasn't gushing the details. And his statement he used different words. His story fit right in to the conversation too. Where's the smoking gun???
there isno smoking gun. I can read fine. I'm just not buying you're cospiracy about this. Again, a reasoned person, who doesn't hate his existence, would say he was probably telling the truth.
Complain about the things we KNOW he's wrong about. Why do this, based on hatred for him
His story didn't change? I guess if you think a police officer coming to arrest the guy morphing into a security guard then you could say it didn't change.
By the way, do you even know what a conspiracy is? A person making up shit does not a conspiracy make. A "reasoned" person might say he was telling the truth...if he ignored the glaringly ludicrous portions of the account.
Hatred for him? I'm laughing my ass off right now. The guy is pathetic. That doesn't mean he merits my hatred. He is just an entertaining diversion with his Walter Mitty delusions of heroic past.
jwf @ 383:
That's very clever. Maybe? But again, just not enough to convince anyone to be sure. If you're not sure he's lying, then I have no bone with you. I really am only trying to rebuff the people who are CERTAIN he's lying. If you are "certain"... that's a little extreme. Sorry
wha? @ 386:
You may want to read his statement again. Sorry, but I don't think you understood it.
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wha? Says:
And around and round we go. Tucker is a turd, a dick even. He portrays himself as a fun lovable right leaning moderate. But behind all of that, he’s sneaky about pushing his very conservative values in the form of slanted questions and stuff like that. I can’t stand him.
But his story has no holes,...
here isno smoking gun. I can read fine. I’m just not buying you’re cospiracy about this. Again, a reasoned person, who doesn’t hate his existence, would say he was probably telling the truth.
Complain about the things we KNOW he’s wrong about. Why do this, based on hatred for him
If you're going to ask and answer your own questions in your first paragraph...
The expression "with all due respect" is applicable here. Howdy Doody has earned ZERO respect; you've said it yourself. This guy is the most insidious version of a right-wing bobblehead. He pretends to be a moderate libertarian, but is as far-right and wrong as Limpballs, Hannity, and the rest of the knuckledragging echo chamber. If you want to believe him, good luck to you. But don't assign him credibility he has NEVER earned.
Otay @ 385:
Police officer this, "bothered" that. Security guard that. Give me a break. OK, like we are in 3rd grade:
1. Are you certain he was not physically touched, sexually against his will in a bathroom, and a younger man.
I don't necessarily believe he might be telling hte truth because I consider him truthfull. I just think if you watch the clip it makes more sense that he was actually apporached as a young man by a predator. He didn't stand on a soap box about the specifics on air. It just makes more sense that he wasn't making it all up as he went. I might be wrong, but again, again, I'm not the one who's certain.
wha? @ 389:
If you think that noticing a flip-flop in a story is so "third grade", well what can I say? I guess I'm not one of the Kool-Aid drinking gullible elite. And I don't see an advantage to being a gullible Kool Aid drinker. So sue me.
Answer the question:
1. Are you certain he was not physically touched, sexually against his will in a bathroom, a younger man?
All that other stuff is cute, but get to it. Answer this one for me.
Wha?:
Sure seems like you're 100% sure Tucker is telling the truth.
What's worse, you're willing to go farther that even Tucker was willing to go. Sorry to keep bringing up the facts, but the incident in question started as being "bothered", which I took to mean "propositioned". He offered up the incident himself, he was not prompted to bring it up. A bit later, one of the other guys prodded him for a fuller explanation. There was no mention of any physical contact, or of any danger or of any threat. Once the original video got some airplay, and people started getting upset about Tucker's cavalier attitude towards getting a friend and beating the guy up (i.e. admitting to a physical assault), ONLY THEN did Tucker "clarify" by changing the story to being "grabbed". He changed a bunch of other significant details as well.
Then you come along and take the story to the next level.
"Guy *allegedly* grabbing Tucker-in-high-school" becomes "man trying to force sex acts on a kid".
But go ahead, tell US that we're the ones making assumptions and avoiding the facts. You're just saying "he might be telling the truth". That's why you use such neutral words as "victim" and "predator".
whatever. all that talk an you don't even have 'em to answer the question. All the rest... fine whatever you win. I'm not going ot get into symantics. we could go on forever.
1. Are you certain he was not physically touched, sexually against his will in a bathroom, as a younger man?
Will you answer that? That is the only real question here.
Bonkers @ 32:
*The only time you’ll get it out of a conservative talking head.
Sounds like there are lots of Log Cabin Republicans. I'm beginning to wonder if any of them are straight.
That may go a long way toward explain the general unattractiveness of their women. Even the few with good looks, lose me when they start talking.
Sitting around, telling war stories, forgetting you on the air and being taped. Priceless.
Riiiight... Tell us, Tucker, were those boys salty or sweet?
How much wood would a Tucker tug if a Tucker could tug wood?
Oh, what a badass!!
this smarmy little piece of shit probably has wet dreams about chimp boy's cod package moment on the aircraft carrier
As a teenage boy I had many many passes made at me in public restrooms (had to ride the bus downtown every day to get to and from school.) A couple of times I felt threatened and thought I might have to use violence to escape. I did not. I was completely repulsed, however and can't say I am sorry that cops target that activity.
Interestingly they have done studies about men's responses to gay overtures. First they asked questions - then they wired them up with a machine that detected swelling of the penis and showed them a lot of pictures - including naked men and women. Turns out that the "straight" men with the most violent negative reactions to homosexuals had the most, shall we say, positive reactions to pictures of naked men!
I rest my case.
Tucker's daddy must be very powerful in order for him to stay on the air. Like the above poster, I change the channel as soon as he appear onscreen on any program -- whether it's his own show or Tweety's or Joe "Dead Intern" Scarborough.
#34 Don't forget Joe Scarborough
By "sharing" that story, he might as well as have said, "I am NOT gay".
Ya ain't foolin' anybody, Tucker.
Actually, I'm surprised no-one else has mentioned this, but I was listening to Howard 101 earlier on that day and he happened to be a guest on the 'Bubba the Love Sponge' show (don't normally listen but sometimes you're flicking channels! :-) ) So anyway, he related this incident, and in this (the first version that he told to Bubba), he went back and got a fork from his table... presumably returning with his friend and the fork to hurt the guy. I dunno, was it a fork, was it banging the guys head, was it holding him until security came? What? Does anyone have access to that Bubba Show - think it would have been Tuesday morning, like I say on Sirius 101, around 9am ish...
What really happened was that Tucker came back with his friend and performed what is commonly referred to as a "spit roast".
Is it true that Dana White of the UFC has just signed Tucker to fight Chuck the iceman Liddel ?
Wha?
I'll try to answer, if the double negatives don't get me.....
I'm not certain he was physically touched, I'm not certain he wasn't.
I'm not certain it was sexual, I'm not certain it wasn't.
I'm not certain it was against his will, I'm not certain it wasn't.
I'm not certain it was in a bathroom, I'm not certain it wasn't.
I'm not certain the incident happened, I'm not certain it didn't.
IF it did occur, I am certain Tucker was a younger man.
Clear enough?
You, OTOH, are certain that he was "physically touched, sexually against his will in a bathroom", and that Tucker is a victim, and the alleged person who allegedly did the alleged touching is a predator.
But I'd be an extremist if I was certain of my interpretation of what likely occured.
Curiouser and curiouser.....
jwf @ 383:
If I were to find out that even the Dungeons and Dragons club beat the shiite out of him and nearly strangled him with his bowtie, I would have a hard time pretending to be surprised... ;)
Joe Scarborough and Dan Abrams were the worst offenders here laughing and egging on with anti gay insinuations
Cout Jester, Otay, jwf?
Are you really going to go to all of this trouble, and you won't even answer:
1. Are you certain he was not physically touched, sexually against his will in a bathroom, as a younger man?
That's funny. More reason to say.... We just can't be sure, can we.
I don't know who Dana White or Chuck the Ice-main Libbel are, but in a fight I put my money on anyone against tucker. I'll be he fights like he dances.... Not good.
Court Jester @ 396:
You can be at mad at me as you wish, but know that the only person i called, and am still calling an extremist, are the people who are certain that he is lying about the essence of his story. That some dude touched him in the junk against his will. You just can't be certain of that. And there have been people all day who are certain he wasn't. That's a little extreme.
The rest of the stuff.... whatever
I never said I was certain. paste it.
What? He can't just say no? He has to be a complete and absolute immature bully and prick about it? What a piece of garbage.
What if women handled themselves this way? When a guy propositions them - should we get a friend - go gang up on the guy - grab him by the balls and bang his head against the nearest hard surface?
Idiots like Carlson think they're macho - what they're really doing is acting out with the maturity of a 5 year old.
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Trittydi @ 403:
If the Proposition was verbal, then you're right. But if he was grabbed sexually by a stranger, do what yah gotta. I would have called the cops. But I would still stick up for the guy who wanted to see this jerk's ass kicked, over the guy who is grabbing kids ina bathroom. Again, to listen to the account it was a physical "propsition". If it was verbal as you elute to by using the word proposition, then you're right. Just say no. But he said he grabbed him. If he did, that deserved a butt kickin'
wha? @ 399:
As your repeated posts indicate, you're unable to grasp or admit the inconsistancies in Carlson's story. The numerous posts, (including your own) detailing Tucker's history of fabrication, manipulation, and obfuscation of "facts" have failed to modify your thinking. This can only be explained in one of two ways: 1. You are in need of some remedial, college level, courses in linguistics, logic, and political science. 2. You are a "concern troll". If it is the latter, you have not made any coherent arguments, have failed to sway anyone over to your side of the debate, and your benefactor would be better off putting his largesse towards more productive use on right-wing causes. Perhaps the money would be better spent supplying explosives for abortion clinic bombers, proposing anti-gay marriage amendments, creating more "Harry and Louise" type ads to confuse people about the health care problem, or arming some 3rd world dictators that multinational corporations need to exploit the resources of their particular country, just to name a few suggestions.
Give the guy a break for something he did in high school. I did plenty of things I'm not proud of back in the day, and I don't much mind talking about them. I made a lot of poor judgements, and I'm clearly not the same person I was then. Insofar as this is likely true for most people, I think the charitable thing to do is to give Tucker a break.
The relevant question is whether Tucker remains proud (if he ever was proud) of what he did to this day, and nothing I saw in the clip suggests that he is. He got away from the topic without mentioning his retaliation and only revealed what he had done under further prompting from Scarborough.
Let's take him at his word and move on.
jwf @ 405:
I grasp you're grand inconsistencies, I just don't think they are as relevent to the conversation as the question you still don't have the balls to answer clearly.
1. Are you certain he was not physically touched, sexually against his will in a bathroom, as a younger man?
Court jester answered it. All you did was change the subject with more extra credit, and attacks on my intelligence, and assumptions about my political ideology.
Answer it then,
407
wha? Says:
No, I think Carlson is full of shit. Does that answer your question?
DParker @ 406:
I hear yah
jwf @ 408:
you "think"
are you certain he is full fo shit? It's a super simple question.
wha? @ 410:
Come on Tucker, it's your bedtime!
Of course no one can be certain. And that's all I'm saying. I am starting to sound a little mean, but go back and read the kind of comments I was responding to when i called people extreme, or anything else for that matter. There we're a lot of people who treated him as if they we're certain he was lying. And if he was actually grabbed by an adult stranger, a victim, whether you like him or not, was pretty trashed here today. Not what I expected on a left-leaning blog. It sounds like something a radical conservative like Rush would do. Go look at all the homophobic slurs thrown at him. It got bad. And I think it stinks. No matter who does it.
This story is basically the same thing as Dick Cheney telling Patrick Leahy to go fuck himself because he thought Leahy was hitting on him. Where do Republicans get the idea that anyone finds them attractive? Because they're usually not.
Wha?:
I have tried to be as clear as I can, but I can't help you with your confusion.
I've been careful to use blockquote and quotation marks when I'm quoting you. In all other cases, the words are mine.
I have based my opinions on Tucker's own words and behavior.
You have based your opinions, it would seem, on words never actually uttered by Tucker.
The way it works, if you accuse someone of a crime - and groping a minor would be a crime - the burden of proof is on you. We're not *supposed* to just believe what Tucker says, let alone what you think he meant by what he says. It's up to him to convince us. As I mentioned previously, whether we believe him or not depends largely on his overall credibility. Given his long history of lying, I don't find him to be credible.
You repeatedly accuse those who doubt Tucker with "defending the predator", or defending a "sex predator". You must therefore believe there is a sex predator being defended, therefore you must be certain that Tucker's telling the truth. I never quoted you, I just assumed you were following basic logic. My bad.
So, knowing that my use of logic and facts won't deter you, I'll leave you to your certainties.
jwf @ 411:
jwf @ 411:
That was pretty good. And you're right. I'm still arguing with people who are long gone. I'm sorry. Anyone who is on now seems pretty reasonable.
And I'm gonna throw on my bow-tie and hit the sack
Court Jester @ 414:
whatever. It's not that you're not being clear. It's that you have to twist you're interpretations of my words, like Tucker does, to "prove" me wrong. I never said i was certain it was ture.
paste it, don't spin it, Tuckie
wha? @ 416:
IraqIsDisaster @ 157:
wow...elo freakin el :))
wha? Says: whatever. all that talk an you don’t even have ‘em to answer the question. All the rest… fine whatever you win. I’m not going ot get into symantics. we could go on forever.
1. Are you certain he was not physically touched, sexually against his will in a bathroom, as a younger man?
Will you answer that? That is the only real question here.
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1. I am certain the incident Tucker Carlson related did not occur. He made it up to illustrate his contempt for "nasty" gays.
My question about wha? says is whether he is just a concern troll or a sock puppet as well? His obsession with Tuckie is puzzling unless he knows him.
Capabilty Jones @ 419:
Since he has chosen to so adamantly defend Tucker's story, he must have been the one who "touched" Tucker.
Although I detest Tucker, calling the man a "gay basher" because he fought back is totally wrong and this is why I hate liberals. Are straight guys now supposed to bend over every time some homosexual sexually harasses us for fear of the politically correct police arresting us--is this what the next 4 years with Hillary/Obama are going to look like?
When will someone start shooting all these liberal and neo-con fascists so us normal Americans can take back our media and government?
Watching this clip was like watching a bunch of frat boys. Sickening really. Supposed news people all laughing like a bunch of teenagers over gays. And Tucker went into full panic mode when his fellow talking heads started laughing at him. Tucker knew what they knew which was that he's a little wussy boy who men would hit on in the restroom....and probably an insatiable bottom boy at that. Tucker wanted off the air asap, Tucker even hides behind his son with the story of how he can't take his son to the mens room because of all the gay cruising - a not-so-subtle hint that if Tucker has a kid how can he possibly be gay?
Henry Miller @ 421:
Congratulations! You have taken the "macho" response to the "gay bathroom predator" to a new high-or low, perhaps. What is it about right wingers that makes them think they are sooooo attractive to gay men cruising public places? Doyou have a bowtie also?
That's what the guy did, grab his weinie.
Tucker Carlson can't cut the mustard, but he can cut the cheese with relish.
My question is, why tftftucker carlROVEson is still allowed on primetime tv.........or on Msnbc instead of fox
Seth @ 366:
Good points! It sounds like little Tucker is trying to compensate for something. He is like a lot of right-wing talking points who talk tough but can't back it up.
I wonder what the statute of liability is on assault and battery, assault with a deadly weapon (hey, bathroom walls are hard), and now that this little rePUGNITcan confessed to doing said actions upon someone, when will he get arrested.... Yeah right, GOP members backpedal and obfuscate to keep their a$$es out of jail all the damned time.
Where's that gay-looking bowtie?
Has anyone actually discussed the ridiculous chronology Tucker is offering here? 1) He was grabbed (or he's also described it as "assaulted." 2) He yells and runs out.
Now, AT THIS POINT, Tucker doesn't get a security guard or call the cops? BUT
3) He gets a friend and comes back TWENTY FIVE MINUTES later. 4) Tucker and his friend find the guy still there, having no way of knowing if he'd be there or not. Now, had Tucker at any time previously called a security guard, it's pretty likely the security guard (or cops-- it's cops in one version of Tucker's story) would have showed up either prior to or at the same time as Tucker and his friend, considering it took Tucker twenty five minutes to come back. But Tucker and his friend arrive alone, "seize" the guy and wait for the security guard to show up. But WHAT security guard? The one Tucker apparently didn't go and get TWENTY FIVE MINUTES ago?
Even if we overlook the question of why Tucker didn't go to the cops as soon as he left the restroom, if he truly felt like it was an "assault," but instead spent nearly half-an-hour, getting his friend, before he went back and either attacked (his first story) or "seized" the guy (his second story), then Tucker's story still has a chronology more warped and inexplicable than David Lynch's "Inland Empire."
Maybe we need to stop questioning why MSNBC would continue to employ someone who just admitted to a violent crime and ask the more appropriate question: why would they employ a pathological liar who can't even come up with a string of logical events when he's making up outrageous and inflammatory stories?
I would love to have had "advances" made to me. If you're not interested, like TUcker pretends, you simply walk out... this stuff shouldn't be against the law. If someone can't handle someone else making a "pass", they don't belong on the public streets/bathrooms. Regardless, I'm glad this Republican hypocrit/homophobe got caught.
Message to Tucker: you might like me... I'll go easy on you... at first, it might hurt a little, but then it will turn to pleasure... promise.
wouldn't it be great if there was a psychic who knew what someone was thinking as they are saying stuff like this? the news pundits would go to him/her and ask if that person was telling the truth. The psychic would say: "nooooo, eee's eh liiiiiiarrrrrrr. He actually took it and liked it but wanted to tweeeest the story in order fit his political agenda and masculine imaaaaaaage." (waving arms around mysteriously)
Ron McD @ 34:
I agree with you. He's just a little shit kicker.
Perhaps someone could dredge up Tucker commenting on the non-issue of Al Gore confabulating stories about 'his grandmother' or 'his dog' ...
Seems someone changed their story to sound more manly, or something.
And it's not just that Carlson relates this story of assaulting a man who may or may not have propositioned him, it's that the other hosts LAUGHED.
Assault is not funny. Remember, Matthew Shepherd was beaten to death by a guy and his friend because they thought they'd been propositioned.
The GOPigs need to start a small minority faction of heterosexual reich-wingers. Sure, they will be outsiders, but they will have their own identity.
The internal conflict in this story is hilarious. "I went back with a friend"..now thats tough...2 on 1. He was so offended he "went back" and in version 1, slammed the guys head against the wall until the "cops" came and in 2, grabbed him to hold him for the "security guards". Cops keep records, security guards probably do not.
Look folks..this entire event is a fabrication. The original version was an off the cuff attempt at machismo..and when that lie did not fare well the liar did what all liars do when caught: Lie again. This time in an entirely new construction devoid of the stuff that did not work out well on the first go around. If it looks, smells, feels, sounds and resonates like bullshit............
What an asshole.
From Wikipedia:
Autobiography discusses false rape allegation
In 2003, Carlson authored an autobiography, Politicians, Partisans and Parasites: My Adventures in Cable News, about his television news experiences. One of the book's revelations was Carlson's description of how he was accused of rape by a woman he had never met in a city he had never visited. Charges against him were never brought, and it was later revealed that his accuser had a chronic mental illness. Carlson wrote in the book that the incident was emotionally traumatic and strengthened his belief in the presumption of innocence, particularly on allegations of a sexual nature.
Uh - and btw - not to go on too much about this - but if he did go back and get a fork, it would go beyond simple assault to premeditated assault with a weapon. Isn't that illegal? Even a couple of decades ago I'm pretty sure that was still a crime? :-)
This kind of stuff only happens in homophobic, backwards, bigoted, unprogressive, regressive, close-minded societies.
Hence, it happens in the USofA.
This childish man with such a fratboy attitude has no place in the national spotlight at all, let alone every night. MSNBC should yank this clown from the airwaves PRONTO! The era of overgrown fratboys running the nation is ending, and all of the idiot pack-mentality goons who are in office or who entertain, like GOP friendly musicians or Beltway journalists, will be tolerated less and less with each passing day. By January 10, 2009, that sort of thinking will hopefully be history, or at lest not tolerated in our society.
You can all laugh and make your homophobic gay jokes, BUT
What Tucker admits to is gay bashing, which is today considered a hate crime. Very funny story Tucker. Being assaulted in a Men's room is not funny, then again neither are hate crimes.
UnEasyOne @ 42:
Nor I. It is also entirely possible this could have happened to a cherubic (but tough! Oh, very tough!) teenage Tucker. But the thing is most on this board don't like Lil' Tucker. So we are inclined to first: not believe anything he says and second, just bag on him anyway because this kind of braggadocio always rings lame, no matter who it is (but this time it's Tucker, so he's gettin' a broadside).
:)
35 King of Mean Says: I think Tucker is what we homos call an “agressive bottom”… he holds his own legs up.
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you mean a "power bottom"....
1) Obviously "look at how macho I am" fiction.
2) Did he wear that neato bow tie when he was in High School?
3) The one example he can come up with for "rampant" problem is from 25 years ago...
4) When he and his "friend" returned to the bathroom did they bring gifts?
5) Why does this guy have a job?
Not sure is this nerd is gay, and honestly don't care. He is a whimp...and I do care. Another "chickenhawk" to spew out nonsense about war and other domestic issues. I can just see him grabbing somebody by the .....ah, the well..."you know". What a nerd, whimp, wanna-be man.
This turd is difficult enough to listen to as he babbles his nonsense in his "libetarian 13 yr old voice". What ever happened to the macho bow tie?
Honest to God...how does such whimp trash get a spot on national cable tv to discuss issues of any meaningful measure? I'm not saying whimps shouldn't have a voice...but babbling, lying, chickenhawk whimps certainly don't deserve any respect from this viewer.
I always change the channel when i see Tucker. Goodness, what a GOPer kiss ass. He has zero credibility. Anyway at least the guys on HGTV and TLC as well as Bravo have come out of the closet and are not afraid to be flammingly gay. You know that takes balls, and bragging about kicking ass when you were in junior high or high school just screams that you don't have any balls.
What's wrong with GOPers who buy the knee pads, but just can't admit they like using them? Come on Tucker, be a man, come out, come out where every you are...
It seems Lindsey Graham and Mitch McConnell have something to hide. Something very big to hide...
http://www.counterpunch.com/leupp08302007.html
#42
So are you saying if [T]ucker had simply reacted less violent he is likely not gay or just less gay. Not that there is anything wrong with gay but most straight guys would be very pissed off especially if you are a teenager. Though most straight guys probably wouldn't have run away screaming unless they we were like 14 yoa or something. The point is even a gay guy who didn't like the attention would have acted differently. If it was a serious attack why did [T]ucker say he was "bothering" me. And he used the word 'scream' instead of yelled. He was just trying to hide the evidence. He waited for a "security" guard? Why didn't he call the cops. What park has security guards?
I have a feeling Tucker would like one of those "tossed salads"... so popular in the 80's...
I'll give him a moustache ride, real cheap.
Or how about a "filthy Ramarez"?
Tucker should get the medal of honour for his heroic display of manliness in the bathroom.
He's a war hero for sure.
Oh stop it Tucker, you're scaring me....you big tough meanie.
From over at TPM.......
TPM reader RK: "Carlson beat up a man? A fully grown man? Please. Tucker Carlson could be beaten into submission with nothing more than a heavy thought."
A guy trying to pick up minors for sex in a restroom. Sounds like a good enough reason to bash his head against the wall.
Sad but true! All Public Restrooms are for sex for some. Tucker should just keep quiet about this; it obviously upsets him. Sen. Craig and the fools before him, including Clinton, live the liars life. Now we know what goes on in the halls of our congress and senate, and why the dems have struggled so: the repubs were all down the hall in the restroom filling buster.
King of Mean @ 49:
Yes, that's the right response if you get an unwelcome advance. Just say no. Walk away.
Still a public bathroom is an inappropriate place to be cruising. There are appropriate places for finding people compatible with your likes and dislikes, and we call them bars/pubs/saloons...
chris @ 61:
Thanks for the correction... next time I bottom, I'll think of Tucker... and how he came so close to being, ugh, shall we say, "violated", in that high school toilet.... such a sad, yet touching story...
Wait a minute. I am NOT a Tucker fan but I can understand his first instincts to escape (flight or fight) and subsequently his determination to get support and confront the guy.
I don't believe Tucker's story for a second because I think Tucker couldn't fight his way out of a wet paper bag but I'll play along anyway. My only question if one believes Tucker's story is: Was the man in the story a Republican and if so was he Larry Craig, Ted Haggerd, Mark Foley or some other perv that we don't know about yet?
questioner: A homo says "what".
Tucker: WHAT
#49
I agree If he was being raped that is one thing but he didn't say it like that. He said bothered. Then he said he screamed and escaped. Weird that he let some guy get so close to him after "bothering" him that he had to escape. How far did he let it go. I mean was he tapping his foot and rubbing his hand under the stall or what?
This is a new low for this blog. Sure Tucker Calson is an arrogant prick, but to call someone, anyone, a coward or "weenie" for escaping an assault is just silly. I would expect this kind of thing from Rush or BillO, not Crooksandliars.
What a load. Tucker tries to come across all butch and amazingly hetero, and all he accomplishes is displaying his deep-seated homophobia, common among closeted gays in denial.
Whether the incident happened or not (and I'm voting not...my cat could trounce Tucker in a fair fight), the fact that he feels compelled to tell this tale speaks volumes about his character.
Another right wing sissy pink boy coward. Always getting someone else to fight their battles for them.
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