Isn't a pretzel similar?

damn... missed it by that much

It looks like one of our $1.2 billion dollar investments might have gone down since it's being reported that a B-2 Stealth bomber has crashed (with no loss of life). I haven't seen CNN carry it yet but if it's completely accurate then that would be the third crash in as many days.

http://www.kuam.com/news/26596.aspx

GWB chooked on a pretzel and on peace.

where did the peace sign come from?
Who came up with it?
Whomever it was.................................deserves the Medal Of Freedom.

mudshark Says: you didn’t disappoint Ron.
in fact, why don’t we send a case of pretzels to the Preznit.I hear he likes them.

We would have to send a case of beer too. I don't want him drunk and pushing buttons.

ok,I read the post about who came up with the peace sign.
Ga Nite

Fifty Years After the ‘Peace Sign,’ Designers Agree on the ‘War Sign’

http://satiricalpolitical.com/?p=1521

Don please, that was cruel. Don't you have some small animals you could torture?

The peace sign would be meaningless if it weren't for war.

60 minutes is going to have their expose on Karl Rove this weekend. Supposedly besides "chatting" with the 9/11 Commission Executive Director on a regular basis, he also is running a campaign office out of the White House. I hope the crew over at 60 minutes don't hold back on him. We'll see...

60 Minutes is also going to have a story on Gov. Siegelman. That's a story that has been avoided by a lot of big news outlets. That should be interesting too.

19 curtilingus Says:
The peace sign would be meaningless if it weren’t for war.
And love would be meaningless if it weren't for hate! :-)

Sounds like Ethanol was a big waste of time. Making fuel out of our food? Amount of energy it takes to convert etc.
Willie Nelson is saying Biodiesel, Wind, and Solar are the way to go. I trust him.
Of course I'd like to see hemp legalized so we could use that as a fuel as well among other things.

Peace!

Not too peaceful and typical Hilary:

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=4330128&page=1

The games people play. They are looking at losing their jobs anyway. Why not slime the system so they can hold onto their jobs a while longer. Sick assholes.

My biggest gripe is that the symbol... is not an original design...

Oddly enough it is found in the ancient world and it is representative of the tree of life..

Today we use the same symbol... and we use it upside down,

Symbology is very importaint.. more importaint then most give credit for it.. or even think about it..

However.. Think about it.. for 50 years we have been using the ancient symbol of LIFE ... Upside down... as a PEACE symbol...

And it has been SOOOO Fucking Effective hasn't it????!!!!

Wake up people...

Turn it the other way and I bet the results will be miraculous..

It has to start sometime...

www.happybirthdaypeace.com

Just caught a portion of the Tonight Show on the tube (PST) during a channel surf and there he was...Billo, the loofah specialist, spewing bullshit. He said he has no favorite choice for next prez and that his job is to make sure everyone behaves. Yeah Billo, everyone needs to behave except you. What a bloviating buffoon!!

Thankfully, Herbie Hancock followed as the musical act and that helped wipe a little of the airwave slime that Billo had left hanging in the air.

Dona nobis pacem!!

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"Gen. Hillier also said that once there is a decision to extend the mission, parliamentarians should vote "overwhelmingly" to support the troops."

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Pease Politics or the Audacity of Hope not talked about.

We all crave Pease, its serenity, and its bliss; however, the passion in power today as in anytime in history attracts a certain life lust, which spans a human dynamism of sexuality that could be argued is the real truth working in parallel to the divine understanding we all seek. Hence what do we have, Race Integration, yet, Ethnic Sovereignty, Now Individual Rights, were history once looked at life in an on going living scale sliding between Piety and Pagan? Or called War and Pease in the life continuum has to deal with the new experiment called the Constitution that does stretch to individual freedoms.

So, what the hell am I saying? Jumping through a lot of racial logic to make a point of failed reciprocity Obama will have a burden to work at, a change we could believe in “”?”” Most certainly should have a question mark at the end of those little political signs.

Our forefather introduced the concept of the separation of church and state, but totally dismissed the ideal of separation of sex and politics. Likely because of that Dynamism of slavery known through the ages exposes a sexual gradient that transcends to manifest an extraordinary random balance in shades of skin color, eye color, vocal tones, a cultural clock connecting perhaps an unknown source of power that resonates the public wondering if good or evil. As an ingredient that plays in a sliding scale of contemporary contextual debate were bad can be convinced to be good and good can be convinced to be bad, were War and Pease in an on going interplay lead and lag both changing places in time. The pace is quickening for we have the Media.

However, with this thing called a Constitution, Americans find themselves needing to line up Good with Good and Bad with Bad for the simple remedy of what looks ass backwards and corrupt as hell right now to figure a way to straighten it out. Simple how do we get rid of the ghetto and blight to transform it to a garden where any color can live in. Attractive enough for whites to go to Negro community as well as whites not to reject the Negro is still the problem.

To rain on the parade of Black History month is not my intention, But, I have a dream too, so why doesn’t my dream get some attention? Is being white doesn’t count as much as a American Negro dream in the well spoken words of all men are created equal. Well, all men are created equal, then my dreams should be just as well to count in the march gathering at great monuments and savored fine gardens designed by inspirational minds and created with sweat reflecting the possible perfection, and order in the environment. Far from the Ghetto where great works have space to take, but have been ignored to leave a trail that seems there is always something that needs to be cleaned up. Iraq is an out rage and the best extreme pitiful example of the current disgusting leadership.

Ken Mitchell @ 47:

And the neocons told me that the peace sign was a broken cross?

That interpretation has been around for decades, long before neocons/PNAC.

I remember my first exposure to that sign as a freshman at Michigan. The American Humanist Society was organising a "Ban The Bomb" demonstration in D.C. and I signed up ( there were women going). To this day I thought that sign was connected to that group. My first demonstration and it had a profound effect on me that has lasted decades. (and no I didnt hook up, as they say today.....)

Speaking of peace, its sort of sad that we seem not to be able ot find such in any human endeavor these days. Our violence is endemic and in every facet of our culture. Just listening to our political discourse these days gives me hives.....Noone thinks it enough to support their candidate, they must denigrate the other one....so sad, so silly, so dangerous.

Ron @ 32:

Interesting how the Obama/Clinton camps are attempting to shellac the other with "ties to radicals."

This could get messy, however Obama will suffer less damage after people recall it was Hillary's hoped-to-be "first hubby" who, as president, had pardoned Susan L. Rosenberg.

An unusual combination of New York political and law enforcement leaders have condemned former President Bill Clinton's pardon of Susan L. Rosenberg, a one-time member of the Weather Underground terrorist group who was charged in the notorious 1981 Brink's robbery in Rockland County that left a guard and two police officers dead.
//
Ms. Rosenberg served 16 years in jail after she was found with a companion in New Jersey in 1984 unloading 740 pounds of dynamite and weapons, including a submachine gun, from a car. She admitted her role in the New Jersey case, in which she had planned to supply others with explosives for politically motivated bombings.

At the time of her arrest, she was wanted on charges related to the 1981 armed robbery of a Brink's armored car in Nanuet, N.Y., a holdup that was supposed to raise money for the Weather Underground and other radical groups. But Ms. Rosenberg denied any involvement in the Brink's robbery and was never tried on those charges, because Mr. Giuliani, then the United States attorney in Manhattan, indicated that given her 58-year sentence on the New Jersey weapons charges, there was no need to proceed with that case.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9D06EED7133CF931A15752C0A...

Weather Underground adherents thought they were "waging peace," but are a classic example of "becoming what you despise" when the ends are allowed to justify the means.

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As a pagan representation, the peace symbol has its origins in the ancient Norse-Germanic alphabet known as Futhark. This, the language of the runes, was not displaced until the Fourth Century when Arian bishop Ulfilas (AKA, Wulfila) created a new Gothic alphabet based on Greek. In the original runic language, the cross element of the peace symbol first appeared in an upright orientation as the "algiz" rune. According to Carl D. Liungman's Dictionary of Symbols, the sign "is possibly associated with moose.... In the family system [the rune] stands for man." According to the same dictionary of symbols, when inverted, as in the peace symbol, the Algiz rune "is supposed to have been used by Germanic tribes as Todesrune, the rune of death. In the family system it means man dies." In fact, the rune used as a symbol of death was employed by the Nazis during World War II. In 1970 the GOP, in its newsletter Political Potpourri, published the image of a Nazi propaganda poster that prominently featured the inverted Algiz rune.

It's disturbing enough that the central element of the so-called peace symbol has been known since ancient times as the symbol of death and that it was used to signify such by the Nazis. But the symbol has also been used as an anti-Christian symbol. During the reign of the Roman Emperor Nero, Saint Peter was condemned to death by crucifixion. Saint Peter, though, could not bear to be crucified as Christ had been. He requested, therefore, to be crucified upside down. Nero granted his wish and the Saint was crucified, legend has it, on an upside down cross, the arms of which had been broken and were pointing toward the ground. Saint Peter is celebrated, rightly, as a great Christian martyr. But anti-Christians have frequently used the Nero Cross, essentially the peace symbol, to symbolize anti-Christ.

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You are compromized C&L Something has changed, not sure if I will continue here anymore.

to the ultra right Christianist is a satanic symbol with origins in devil worship .. I kid your not

gbear @ 16:

I remember the bumperstickers in the late Vietnam years referring to the peace sign as the 'footprint of the American chicken'. There were 18%ers back then too.

Yes they were around. In about 68 or so there was even a little group of those assholes in Alameda County, The land of the East Bay. I stared seeing this foot print of the chicken shit outside in front of gun shops, barber shops, and a few gas stations usually run by those with red necks.

What really frosted my nads though was a little coffee shop that did the trucks and workers in the area, and it had one outside next to the door where folks usually put up ads for donkey basketball games and flapjack festivals. the folkes who owned the place were an older Chinese couple and when I asked about it, they said that the owner of the building had put it there. Maybe as a movement to me a customer to them for a while, they removed the sign.

Today we got FAUX news.

I've mentioned before that I was raised in a fundamentalist Baptist church.

I seem to recall my parents saying they had learned in church that the peace sign was really "a broken cross" (in other words, anti-Christianity and sacrilegious). *rolls eyes*

PEACE!

roninkai @ 36:

Does anyone remember the ecology symbol?
An oval with a horizontal bar across the center?
Circa 1969-1972.

The e symbol was first drawn and explained by Ron Cobb.
Among his other accomplishments were his editorial cartoons
in the LZ Free Press and his production drawings for films
including Star Wars. His art inspired my own cartoon career,
and still does.

Wake Up @ 63:

As a pagan representation, the peace symbol has its origins in the ancient Norse-Germanic alphabet known as Futhark. This, the language of the runes, was not displaced until the Fourth Century when Arian bishop Ulfilas (AKA, Wulfila) created a new Gothic alphabet based on Greek. In the original runic language, the cross element of the peace symbol first appeared in an upright orientation as the "algiz" rune. According to Carl D. Liungman's Dictionary of Symbols, the sign "is possibly associated with moose.... In the family system [the rune] stands for man." According to the same dictionary of symbols, when inverted, as in the peace symbol, the Algiz rune "is supposed to have been used by Germanic tribes as Todesrune, the rune of death. In the family system it means man dies." In fact, the rune used as a symbol of death was employed by the Nazis during World War II. In 1970 the GOP, in its newsletter Political Potpourri, published the image of a Nazi propaganda poster that prominently featured the inverted Algiz rune.

It's disturbing enough that the central element of the so-called peace symbol has been known since ancient times as the symbol of death and that it was used to signify such by the Nazis. But the symbol has also been used as an anti-Christian symbol. During the reign of the Roman Emperor Nero, Saint Peter was condemned to death by crucifixion. Saint Peter, though, could not bear to be crucified as Christ had been. He requested, therefore, to be crucified upside down. Nero granted his wish and the Saint was crucified, legend has it, on an upside down cross, the arms of which had been broken and were pointing toward the ground. Saint Peter is celebrated, rightly, as a great Christian martyr. But anti-Christians have frequently used the Nero Cross, essentially the peace symbol, to symbolize anti-Christ.

Big props...

People stop enabling the symbol of death to be used as the peace symbol.!!!!!!

Tell them to turn it back right side up...

tr @ 12:

it symbolizes one side of the culture war and the dollar sign is the other side.

a dollar sign wearing hob-nailed boots...

Funny how some people will insist that the peace symbol is a occultic sign.

However, the center part has been used in the history of Christian art and the forkra alone is one of the Viking Runes, Algiz

Gee, it doesn't look a day over 49 ...

BAC