Will the 'Tea Party' tantrums become a vehicle for right-wing thuggery?
By David Neiwert Wednesday Jul 29, 2009 2:00pm
We've already seen evidence, particularly from the last round on July 4, that the "Tea Party" movement was attracting a significant bloc of extremists of various stripes: conspiracy theorists (particularly Birthers), xenophobes, anti-government radicals, gun nuts. And they're not just filling the ranks -- they're taking leadership roles, particularly in speaking at their events.
When this bloc starts taking over, you have to start wondering where all this is going. Because you know it's not going to be a healthy direction.
Greta Van Susteren last night featured a segment on an incident in St. Louis in which the local teabaggers came out in force to "hijack" a public forum on health care hosted by Sen. Claire McCaskill's office. She and her guest, Dana Loesch, were eager to applaud the "hijacjking," but the whole thing was actually pretty disturbing.
A couple of things stood out: First, the pretense that "this isn't about political parties" is manifest nonsense. These events are about stopping Barack Obama, the newly elected president, from enacting the very policies he campaigned for and was indeed elected to enact.
Trying to pretend that it's anything else simply doesn't wash any longer. Anyone who can say with a straight face that they voted for Obama but oppose what he's doing with health care -- when in fact he openly and significantly campaigned on promises he would enact just this kind of program -- is a pretty good liar, but a liar nonetheless.
More disturbing, I thought, was the way the teabaggers used their numbers to shout down their opposition and generally intimidate the town-hall nature of the forum. What was supposed to have been an open discussion of the issues instead became a pushy shoutfest. That's not how democracy works. It's ugly when the left does it, and it's ugly when the right does it too.
Is this what the Tea Parties are morphing into? Street theater for the right, becoming increasingly extremist in nature, and increasingly prone to disruptive tactics? The disenfranchised right is getting desperate, and this sure looks to be the direction they're heading.
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These rude tea bagger thugs simply need to have their asses kicked! If they won't shut their mouths (and give a differing viewpoint a chance to talk) then we'll just have to shut their mouths for them.
...a person who doesn't hit me first, but I the subtext I infer, and agree with, from your post is that these people only understand thuggery, stupidity, insults, slogans and a good kick in the ass.
is resolute resolve. Behind every one of these characters is an abject coward. If confronted with somebody who is ready to push back, most of them will run away.
For some of them...
But I think most of these people are devout in their beliefs, they "know" in their hearts they're in the right...no matter how wrong they actually are. That's what makes them dangerous...
They are the brownshirts of our time.
They MUST be treated as such, and we gotta squash their little movement by any means necessary.
Sometimes to stop a monster ya gotta be a monster.
there was a great scene where people in the camp heard that agitators from the local area were going to be aholes at the migrant camp dance, and a few men in the camp diffused the situation by quietly removing the agitators...that's the kind of mouth shutting I'd like to see....
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DEAR AMERICA,
When health care was being discussed a few months back, the ONLY people denied a place at the table and discussion was "SINGLE PAYER" advocates. Instead, those that did show up and insist a place were arrested. These advocates stand FOR those not insured; They stand FOR every Americans Right to basic health care; They stand FOR a system that will not bankrupt families; And they stand FOR raising America's standing from 37 out of 40 to something to be proud of.
DEAR AMERICA,
When 75% of the public WANTS health care for ALL and 75% of Congress doesn't; When Congress is beholden to the all mighty dollar and NOT the constituent that voted for them...
... Is THAT how a Democracy is supposed to work?
DEAR AMERICA,
TAKE A GOOD HARD LOOK AT YOURSELF...
... WHERE'S THE DEMOCRACY GONE TO?
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Dang....I got a call from Claire McCaskill's office the other day telling me about this event. I should have gone, but I was thinking it was tonight.
You know, had this been a Republican sponsored event with liberal protesters, O'Reilly would have bad-mouthed the liberal protesters, calling them "loons" because of the way they interrupted the event. I wonder if he'll call out those loony teabaggers???
Needless to say, Fox news ran a clip and Greta had a local talk radio lady (and Tea bagger) on.
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THE LIBERAL PROTESTERS WOULD HAVE BEEN TASERED AND ARRESTED.
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It's the brown shirt teabaggers vs. the delicate, tiny, very talented celebrity starlets.
No, it's sending staffers, apparently ill prepared, to run a forum. Bet that's the first and last time we'll see a Dem Senator do that, unless his staffers are really prepared and articulate.
This is political war to the extreme. Politicians better realize it.
And if you stand up and calmy, reasonably contradict these Tea baggers, I guarantee you'll have most of the people attending end up on your side.
the stupid tea-baggers give our FBI and Secret Service ample opportunity to photograph and ID them. Tho whether either agency is up to the job, I don't know.
Anyone disrupting a public meeting of any type should be removed from that meeting by police. Freedom of speech is not Freedom of Shouting Down Others.
"Freedom of speech is not Freedom of Shouting Down Others."
I couldn't agree more.
Black and White? I didn't see any black people....or asians...or hispanics....and I'd wager there were no gay or lesbian people either. Just the same ole cranky white conservatives who just can stand the fact we had a free and fair election (the first one in 8 years) that couldn't be stolen and as a result have a black Democrat in the White House.
Who's stalking Sarah Palin while Greta conducts this "interview".
Dude, this event was put on by the office of the sitting Senator, Claire McCaskill, D-MO. The public was invited to participate. NO ONE stopped anyone else from going tot the event.
IF there was a paucity of minorities at the event it wasn't because of those WHO DID ATTEND.
Oh... and "you'd wager"... based on WHAT? You're own prejudices!?
...was enough of my life given over to listen to these jerks. I am sure that all I missed after that were gross distortions and lies.
Conservatives.
[spits on the ground]
Time for this Circus of the bizarre to leave town - The Baggers are in the big "Geeks and Freeks" tent of the travelling Thuglican Circus Show - i keep wondering where the Cotton Candy and Carmel Apples are.
WTF?
The answer is yes. no doubt. Fox Nation cess pool is already championing and coaching its readers to become activists and tea baggers. The advocacy is unsettling and blatant.
When and if the GOP regain control, the Fox media will return to calling any non-GOP doing the same type of activity as crazy leftist protestors.
This is the reason we have gun laws with these racist lunatics running around spewing hatred. These Right Wing terrorists are unpredictable and dangerous as was predicted by our own government.
Hatred?
Hey, Limp-Dick (as you self-titled yourself). They're simply expressing their opinions about the HEALTH CARE legislation that will affect OVER 300,000,000 people!!
I hope all those dip shit dumb ass wingnuts get their health insurance cancelled over an undisclosed case of acne or yeast infection.
...they will. That's the most mind-boggling thing: they continually work and vote against their own best interests in favor of indulging their hate, fear, and sloganeering. I'd be fine with them driving themselves right over a cliff, if that's what they truly want, but unfortunately they are trying to take the rest of us with them.
They already ARE. At this moment they are poorly organized and stupid, but all they need is a couple of skilled leaders (not Beck or Loonbaugh) and some cash, and it will become dangerous for real Americans to participate in open Discussions or Meetings, because riots and violence will always ensue.
That is one of the roles FOX and the Repug Party are (cough) "grooming" them for.
"Riots and violence" will always ensue? From this lot???
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What have you seen or heard that I haven't seen or heard about the "violence" from these people? Crashing windows? Cars being stomped?? WHAT?
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NOTHING, that's what.
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These conservatives don't "roll that way".
...really compassionate & tolerant, there, dude.
he never would have let this rabble anywhere near his whistlestop. In the good ole days the "opposition" was not allowed out of "free speech zones".
With good Democracy comes dissent. But this dissent is scary! Let's document them, photograph them and ignore them.
Can you imagine the hell these fools would raise if Obama followed Jr and reinstituted the free speech zones on them.
Like typical whining, bedwetting conservatives, I imagine:
hypocrite powers ACTIVATE!
In many places free speech zones are still around. For example, most national parks have designated areas for protests or gatherings. (You can't allow someone to stand on Delicate Arch in Arches NP or climb on Lincoln's lap at the Lincoln Memorial in the name of free speech.)
are not "opposition" or genuine "dissent". They are thugs and goons out to intimidate people who actually ARE using the Democratic system to try and accomplish good.
That they have been created by and are controlled by FOX is a very bad indicator of their interest in "fair" politics. Brownshirts, all.
I fear that the end results will be exactly what you'd think. They'll lose in the end, but they will cause a lot of damage and deaths before they are defeated.
that the election of a black man as President has awakened and emboldened white racists?
The question is: what to do about it?
"1.000-1,200 people were there". Looked more like a hundred, maybe. Evern Dana Loesh couldn't say that figure without laughing as she said it. She knows she lied through her teeth. A deceitful wingut tea bagging conservative? Who would have thunk it!
The fear and paranoia from these exclusive white racists is both pathetic and hilarious. I hope that I live long enough to have the honor to vote for the first gay or lesbian President. The suicude hotlines will then light up all over the Nation.
If a gay or lesbian President were elected pubs would need serious health care.
Heads would be exploding all over the country.
We would also need some serious trash collecters to clean up the material (what some thought was brains) from all over everything.
isn't brains by the smell.
for an attempt to remove Obama from office or an assassination attempt. It's not just sore losers and racists (though that's what most of them are), but fascist thugs setting the stage for a coup.
they are being actively encouraged and egged on by prominent media personalities and politicians.
FDR was smeared as "that communist Jew Franklin Delano Rosenfeld" and the Right plotted a coup that was stopped by Smedley Butler.
JFK was killed after being reviled as not only a communist and a traitor, but an agent for the Pope.
There were several attempts on Clinton's life after the Right smeared him as a murderer, rapist and cocaine dealer. When the assassination attempts failed, they tried to blackmail him out of office,
Now it's Obama's turn.
What exactly is a "patriot" expected to do when the Oval Office is illegally occupied by a foreign usurper, a crypto-Muslim, a man who "pals around with terrorists" and won't wear a flag pin on his suits?
isn't it time for you to take your meds and take your nap?
Agreed, Ron.
Yes, I think you are right on the money. They want to ride him out on a rail. Clinton's flap was nothing compared to what RACISM will do. Don't forget ol' Cheney is standing in the wings waiting for his return to power.
How nice to see the Tea Bag movement supporting Wall Street. I've asked about this to a couple of baggers I know, and they're totally clueless. Just manipulated, that's all.
Being clueless & easily manipulated are the cornerstones of teabagger qualities.
These Right Wing Whacko's aren't only extremists, they're mentally unstable, terrorists.
Well, I'm surprised that staffers couldn't handle the tea bag questions. They seem stuck on about half a dozen ones they just recycle. And for which there are answers. Hopefully McCaskill learned a lesson from this.
Now I'd love to see a bunch of "Obama activists" hijack some Republican senator's forum. But they'd probably get assaulted....
Your comment reminds me of a post today from someone here at C&L of a Thom Hartmann rant on the health care issue. I believe in the clip he mentions that some member of Congress had a rubber chicken fundraising dinner with a Q&A on health care, but when Huffington Post tried to buy a $2000 ticket they were told, "No."
Here's the clip. It's worth watching:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBog1R0i_Ag
If I were one of those staffers, I'd ask: How many of you want to give up your Mediccare? How many veterans want to give up their VA health care? Both programs are more efficient and are given higher ratings by users than is the case with private insurance companies (and tell them that!). And, by the way, staffers, government employees have the exact kind of Insurance Exchange that is being proposed.
And we'll never win this battle by just saying, "No, no, the Plan doesn't do that......"
Nixon Southern strategy...Remember there claiming they can win back the White House and Congress without the minorities. Therefore they must play the race card day in and out. Remember Grassley or Hatch has voted for every Supreme Court nominee with the exception of who?...A Latina, fits right into there strategy.
Health Care would help all these miserable people. How many of them are not covered or inadequately covered?
Why do they do that which against their own interests.
So glad I no longer live in the states...
I no longer live in the states, either. Not the same United States I grew up in anyway. We're living in Bizarro America now.
I dumped the USofBLOODYISRAEL 15yrs ago. I have never regreted my decision. FASCISM IS FASCIAM no mater how you dress it up, discuss it, expose it, none of that is working, because the so-called 'media' is nothing more than Tass/Pravda. When this coup d'etat came to power in 2000, I was already safely out of the country, and happy that I was.
Have you watched the elected Republican House members lately on C-SPAN, spewing the same hatred on the House floor? This isn't just a bunch of disgruntled white citizens upset because the American people elected Obama in a near landslide. Their direction is coming from the very top of the Republican party structure. It's that structure that presents a threat to the safety of this President and to national security.
Yet these same Republican folks found it convenient to sit on their hands while their party and the former administration shredded the U.S. Constitution and the Bill of Rights.
Right. They must not be appeased! If that rings a bell so be it.
Never an inch of concession to any outright hostile group or party!
then, that Obama wants to KEEP all those illegal and immoral powers Bush & Cheney accrued? His enemies are rich, vicious and will use any means they can find (stupid skinheads and mouth-breathers) to achieve their goal. The simple goal of more more more money and more more more power. That is all they want.
As Spock put it in one Episode "You represent intellect without discipline (or morality), and Power without Constructive Purpose".
...come to realize, that they are not the majority anymore.
Obama has take a "mandate for change" and squandered it. ..and he did it all himself.
Obama "just plain old sucks" and that means you don't have to be a racist to not like him.
Teabaggers are the new majority!
"BUT"
...thats nice...
...the only thing Obama has accomplished so far is closing Guantanamo. (he sucks)
If Tea baggers are the new majority - which I doubt (hey, Birthers are getting a lot of media attention too...and they're all Tea Baggers I wager. And most racists too...) - then it gives additional weight to "Idiot America" (a great read).
But we're seeing once again what to expect if ever the Idiot Fascists of the right wing gain power.
Guantanamo is still actually open for business, and isnt scheduled to close until the end of the year.
...the only campain promise he has technically kept...and Guantanamo is still actually open...
Change we are waiting for.
Tell that to women now guaranteed a greater protection in respect to equal pay, tell that to consumers routinely gouged on the credit card bills, tell that to millions of children covered under S-CHIP, tell that to students who have a greater access to low interest college loans....
If Obama sucks with these (and other) accomplishments in 6 months, then GW Bush and Ronald Reagan REALLY SUCKED!
Guantanamo is NOT closed.
GO AWAY TROLL! Go back to the Faux Nation or whatever den of idiots you've been listening to. Wanna be welcome on a liberal site? Then don't spout bullshit like "Obama Sucks" tell us in some detail what you disagree with that we can converse about....
Otherwise, go the fuck away, and SHUT THE FUCK UP!
No need to say it. His words speak for themselves. A few thousand corporate lemming idiots make a majority in America? Gotta love it.
...since before he took office. You're not disingenuous, you're just a dumbass willfully repeating Hannity's lies.
One last thing troll, feel free to hate anyone you wish, just don't preemptive accuse others of labeling you a racist before it actually happens.
You've got one hell of a guilt trip working.
Probably in your inbreded home troll.
call themselves a majority before. On some desert island, maybe.
Remember when the coterie of Rethug operatives stormed into the ballot counting area in Florida, shouting and screaming that the recount of ballots be stopped in the 2000 election? I think this is the same kind of endeavor. I wonder how many insurance employees, Pharma personnel and Rethug corporate whores are planning to derail national health care with these antics. I don't think it is hyperbolic to suggest that that was just the sort of political behavior Hitler engaged in to destabilize German democracy in the '30s.
Want to make a million bucks? Advertise Tea Party shirts on the web. Just make sure they're BROWN
Shirted youths were marching in the streets of Berlin The New York Times said, "Don't pay any attention to them. They're just a bunch of silly circus clowns parading in the streets."
And the rest, as they say, is history.
Germany had a problem with UPS deliverers?
XD
and challenged. And if necessary, physically beaten down.
Although, infiltration might a smarter and potentially more damaging option.
This teabagger shit has the potential to become something uglier than it already is.
We gotta stop it before it gets out of control.
Yep. If you don't put out the fire smoldering embers and all, it can bust back into flames.
When the TB's ask, "Will you, the senator / representative sign up for the same public option plan for the public", the answer should be
YES.
It's a false choice. Nothing mandates anyone to choose the public option. The real question is: Will a Senator/Represenatative who supports a public OPTION also support one being in the existing Exchange that they use?
YES
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And I certainly can not stand the BS for the republican party or the tea baggers..
I supported , funded and voted for Obama , but I believe he is off track when he pick Emanuel to be his decider and this is killing him..
Emanuel is not for the Progressive democrats or is he for the wishes of the American citizens. But in fact he has funded and supported most of the blue dogs republicans which we have elected over the past years..
Either Obama was lying to us when he stated he was going to end the War in Iraq , Stop the illegal and criminal actions of Bush/Cheney , get Americans to buy USA , to re-negotiate the Free Trade bill which has outsourced over 6 million American jobs to overseas nations or Emanuel has changed his mind and I now believe it is a little of each...
I also wonder what when on in the Private meeting that Obama had with the AIPAC Jewish organizations before they approved him for presidency..
My father and I are both very much democrats for over a total of close to `00 years so to come up with these type of statements because we refuse to be suck into the BS we are now after the elections being feed by the democrats is totally BS..
The actions of the democrats which we have given total control of the 3 branches of government are destroying us by their lack of passing policies which are for the wishes and benefits of the American workers , seniors and unemployed..
Notice that we now have more wealthy democrats then there are republicans and the wealth tend to protect their wealth and power...
Why in the h... do you believe that and Max Baucus (D - MT) other democrats which are receiving millions in funds from the Health care industry , then purging any policies that deals with benefiting the Americans citizens (public option ) and try to say it is NOT THE MONEY.. How was that again that stated the he knew Baucus and he was not like that..... Chris Matthews the person that defending Bush for over 5 years.....
Instead of complaining about one another , we had better start picking out some real democrat candidates to defeat these republicans we now have in the democrat party that have hijacked our party..
Very well put, Mr. 2069. We gotta keep fighting. If this bill is screwed up by the Repugs, Dems & their corporate bribers, we'll have to keep banging the drum. It isn't over till it's OVER.
Obama was very elusive in the past election about many issues, but he had a long history of less than progressive politics behind him. I am with you on Rahm and the Blue Dogs. I, too, supported Obama once he got the nomination.
However, you were delusional if you went through the Obama/Clinton primary and concluded that Obama was a liberal. He was not. Hillary was definitely more supportive of the single payer plan. She had a much more progressive attitude about Social Security and Medicare reform, and was actually a more liberal candidate.
we all know democracy is complicated and has become even more difficult with special interests and PAC funds. in my opinion, the real problem is the ridiculous amount of money in washington/financial elite power. overall i'm pleased with obama. are there areas/issues of concern......sure there is. i give president obama credit trying to get a health care policy in this country. all democrats aren't created equal. i still believe president obama has good intentions unfortunately he's not an authoritarian and doesn't control everything.
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"There were young and old,black and white..."
= There was a room full of old white people.
I thought I was the only one that caught that.
And the paid Rethug mob screaming, "Stop the count?" Where were the local Democrats? Writing a stiff letter to the editor? These people can only be stopped by overwhelming numbers and/or kicking their asses. See the movie Matewan.
...the police would have rioted against them.
That's guaranteed. And then blamed the rioters.
Sounded like somebody lied to that lady. Will he /she take the same plan their forcing us to take :-/
100 to 1200 people in "St. Louis Community College - Forest Park Campus" [Student Center]?
[ http://www.americansforprosperity.org/072409-... ]
Tea Party at McCaskill’s Draws Police, National Attention
[ http://stlouisteaparty.com/2009/07/19/tea-par... ](0:30)
More Lies Than You Can Shake a Tea Bag At
[ http://stlouisteaparty.com/2009/07/22/more-li... ]
Isn't Rushblow from MO?
This is the second St. Louis town meeting that local right wingers who identify themselves as tea partyers (?). First was Russ Carnahans's and now McCaskil. If you follow the 2nd link above, you'll see that a local blogger wants teabaggers to harrass both of them out of office. He notes that they have 'a lot of retirees'.
A few notes after a little local research.
1. Dana Loesch, who was identified by Grendel as host of a local radio show' broadcasts on a station that is affiliated with Fox news. I've never listened or heard it but it's on the station website (97.1, St. Louis, MO).
2. Dana Losech is most famous for blogging something called Mamalog, which has mostly been about her experiences as a mother and wife. She can write well, is not stupid, has wit and can speak coherently.
A few months ago, I was startled when talking with the gal who cuts my hair, an Obama supporter, who started telling me that a bil encouraging volunteerism contained language making it mandatory for kids as young as middle schoolers be required to participate in volunteer activities, and that there were plans to send them to education camps. (Sound familiar?)
WTF?
She sent me emails about the bills, including links to the text of the bill which contained no such language. In trying to find out where this was coming from, she said that 'the Moms are up in arms about this'. This sounded so discordant with our previous conversations about politics.
I had no idea what she's talking about but now I get it.
If you heard NPR earlier in the week, there was a story about MONMBLOGS, a sort of interconnected network of mothers blogging about their domestic life. It functions as a way for mother s to share childcare tips, vent about things motherish, swap recipes and so on. The story noted that corporations are muscling in to place ads ads both overtly and covertly. The 'Moms' are evidently up in arms about the corporate hijacking.
Loesch, it seems, had conservative leanings before her marriage and subsequent domestic blog preoccupations. Recruited by Fox to host a radio show, she receives the boost of national recognition to offer her political opinions and issues on Mamalog.
In her words, some of her readers are complaining that she's getting too 'politicky'.
What ts dawning on me is how this works - how otherwise reasonable people all of a sudden get freaked out by Bachman-esque rumors. Loesch says she studied journalism in college but does not provide credentials on whether she completed a degree. It's hard to get info on what she has published.
Takeaway? Fox is looking for local conservative talent to offer local color. By offering them fame, they have 'Palinized' her.
And no, I dout that there were 1000-1200 people at the meeting.
Milo
... and correcting my errant notation of (100-1200) baggers. Unfortunately my cordless QWERTY keyboard is not always as responsive as I'd like and "spell check" was in no position to help me out either. Yes I intended to say 1000 and not 100, as well, I failed to note that this allegedly took place in the... Student Center "cafeteria". I'm glad you doubt the claim as well. ;)
It reminds me of the allegation that Saddam Hussain claimed wmd's in an attempt to intimidate Iran.
FBI Files: Saddam Hussein Faked Having WMDs
[ http://crooksandliars.com/susie-madrak/fbi-fi... ]
In ending... the rest of your comment was just as informative and enjoyable, if I might say so. ♥
I like katie's comment down there ▼ as well. Ron Paul's original tea-bagging followers had an extraordinary impact on the RNC and MO process during the 2008 republican primaries. See: Ron Paul supporters control Republican county conventions.
[ http://primebuzz.kcstar.com/?q=node/10514 ].
PS. So WhatElse IsNew... [WhatElse IsNew] ;)
Why they're doing what their doing... Cuz their bi-bull tells them so. IMO
Some concerns they have... Liberty, sovereignty, abortion, mark of the beast, New World Order, Homo's, Cops' / Police state, forced vaccinations, Corporations, education / home-school... you get the idea. Ron Paul (R)TX 14, did not receive (6)million dollars in one day, thanks to any corporation. Health and Ron Paul...[ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtGofsHaj3M ]√
Texas Straight Talk; by Ron Paul, 14th District, TX
[ http://www.house.gov/htbin/blog_inc?BLOG,tx14... ]
Remember the disruptions at the [Sotomayor hearings]?
See opinions at dailypaul(DOT)com :-/
Funny how teabaggers get so upset about erotic jokes about their chosen nom de plume, but see nothing wrong with a picture of the president with a bone in his nose.
these right wingers represent the most offensive traits of the human psyche- they preach hate, ignorance, bigotry, fascism, religious nuttery, intollerance, fear- They lack any redeeming qualities- when will people wake up and see them as the true terrorist threats they are?
Very true. Seems most people think terrorists are just people who bomb and shoot others with no discretion. It's a small line to cross from where these people are already at. So much hatred only has one type of outcome. This is the new branch of the KKK.
SHOUT!
These teabaggers are loonies to the highest degree. Big whining babies who can't have their way. Angry that the president is *gasp* half-black. These people need to be sent to their rooms.
I thought they tried something similar in 1993. When there was a pro-Clinton Plan bus tour, the bus was met with RW anti-health reform thugs who shouted them down and generally ruined the rallies.
Straight face.
I voted for Barack Obama.
I oppose what he's doing with health care...for the simple reason I think he's doing a lousy job of achieving the kind of health care reform this country needs.
I don't support Obama when he says single payer is off the table.
I don't support Obama when he won't say he'll refuse to sign a bill without a public option.
I don't support Obama when he says 85% of what he wants passed with bipartisanship is preferable to 100% with a party line vote. That 15% he's so willing to give up represents real pain, real lives, and real financial ruin.
I don't support Obama when he says the only thing that isn't negotiable is adding to the deficit.
I don't support Obama when he acts like appearing moderate is more important than helping suffering Americans.
I still have a straight face.
Your statement is ridiculous. There was nothing remarkable about voting for Obama and not supporting his health care program or tactics.
You can not actually talk to these people. Assuming they are "people"
When confronted with the stupidity just punch them in the throat. They say less afterwards and it’s much less annoying....
I voted for Obama and I don't agree with his plans for health care reform, I would rather have health care reform have some sort of public option. If there was a protest against Obama's plan for that reason, I'd be more sympathetic, but that's not what the tea party protesters are doing. They aren't getting what they want, so they're having an embarrassing juvenile fit in the middle of the grocery store. You wish that some adult would take these children aside and tell them they're not helping.
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DEAR TEA BAGGIES OF AMERICA,
So are you saying that ensuring that 50 million Americans go without basic health care is putting the needs of the country, first? What about the needs of your fellow country men?
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DEAR CHRISTIAN AMERICA,
Jesus said, "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you."
Jesus also said, "What so ever you do to the least of your brother, you do unto Me."
Would your Christ be proud of you?
Or would He throw you out on your ass along with the money changers profiting from His Father's worship?
Just how much did Christ profit from His health care services?
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so they call a forum, and the teabaggers disrupt the proceedings by shouting down any with opposing viewpoints. next we see on greta's show, a calm, rational, teabagger, whom we are to take as representative of the same teabaggers at the forum. nice bait and switch.
disrupting public forums/discussions is a dispicable practice, whether it be teabaggers or code pink. it serves no purpose and breaks down communication.
I won't use fists, but I am good at posterboard. I've contacted McCaskill's office and hope to get some info on any Kansas City or St. Louis events in the future. I'm mad at myself that I didn't know the St. Louis event was going on this past Monday, I should have been there.
My father proudly considers himself a tea bagger (yes I laugh heartily at his ignorance of the term), he's uneducated and loves O'Reilly, and despite all these character flaws he gets off his old white Birther ass after a full day of labor without benefits to go to these events and protest progress. If they're mobilizing like they are, we need to as well! We need to get off our duffs and create our own news.
I am reminded of the movie "The Laramie Project" (which if you haven't seen, you must), where the Fred Phelps gang polluted a crisis of humanity with their regular stream of high-octane bile. The solution was to make big visual obstructions and stand silently, peacefully, around their barking void of logic. This seems to be the best way to counteract their ceaseless and ignorant hatred.
They think they're so smart with their slogans; I know from being around this site for a few years that we're smarter. Even just looking at the comments on this post, I have a few signs in mind.
If we are silent, it will piss them right off. This is not a bad thing, especially if we have cameras on and running. Should they strike us, we will capture it. Should they use force on us, the world will see.
If our peace provokes their violence, so be it. They're dying to spread their hate. No, they're literally DYING to spread their hate. It metasticizes inside of them until they need to physically become savages. I can take a few bruises, let's go.
I'm willing to be a point person on this, email me if you are interested in showing them what a thousand people REALLY looks like. Shit, email me if you want to stand with me by ourselves while we film them being their usual charming selves. KC, STL, Columbia, St. Joseph, I'm quite familiar with the 70 corridor. Let's do it, who's with me?
kbgb010209@gmail.com
These people are so fucking stupid it hurts. They are literally defending the same people WHO HAVE SCREWED THE SHIT OUT OF THEM, and made them so angry to begin with.
Amazing how the oligarch's can always find a group of imbeciles to take on their latest cause.
I just don't get why anyone can take seriously a spokesperson who looks like she just got off the stage of a porn set. This is, by no means, an anti-woman rant, but just take a look at the woman who is not Gretta, she is all sexed up. I'm just not cool with that.
Actually she's not a lawyer. You can find her at www.danaradio.com. Feel free to check her out.
Also, You sound like an anti-women bigot to me or is it just conservative women you dislike?
I have an open question for all those that have a problem with the "Tea Party" movement: Have any of you ever been to a Tea Party Protest? I would venture to say the answer is NO. I guess I shouldn't be amazed at the vitriol and mean spirited comments on a site like “Crooks and Liars.”
Here’s a concept: Get out from behind your computer and actually attend the next event in your area sponsored by the Tea Party Protest movement or any other group of like mind. What you will find, as I have, there are no fights, no vicious yelling, no inappropriate behavior and no civil disturbance of any kind. In fact, many of the events raise money for charities donate canned food to local food pantries and other civic minded activities.
I won’t hold my breath that any of you commenting in this forum would actually do this (and see the truth), but it was worth a shot.
They've already documented (check the papers and archives of this site) that there have been racist posters at tea-bagger events. Now you may say that your event doesn't have that, but you're typifying ALL of their events as not having that, and the documented history has already proved you wrong. So, sorry, yours is the idiotic comment.
They say what they mean, proudly all over the place. THe same rhetoric that draws you minions like a moth to a brightly burning corporate flame is the same old shit that we've seen and heard, presented on a platter by rich people. Who need minions like you to work against your own best interests.
We've seen he signs, we've heard Beck and Hannity talk about what a great movement it is. If you want to waste your time helping FOX 'News' pundits get tax breaks, be our guests. Don't expect us to be your brand of stupid though.
Here's a concept. Turn of FOX, and all the other news, get some books, about history politics and philosophy, read those and start thinking for yourself.
I won’t hold my breath that you signing up and commenting in this forum would make you the kind of open-minded person who would actually be open to doing this (and see the truth that thinking for yourself makes you sound smarter), and I'm sure it's a waste of my time.
Funny, I didn't see any racist signs, but I'm sure my sight is not as good as yours..... Make sure you come up and introduce yourself if you are at any of the St. Louis events in the future.
I would love to hear your ideas of the kind of books I should read, in addition to the thousands I have read over the years. I’ll be glad to suggest some great historical tomes for your reading list.
Your comments are typical of an elitist attitude. Why are you so afraid of the Tea Party Protesters? Are you of the same mindset with some type of leftist protest or is that just free speech? Fox News has nothing to do with any of these events other than hyping it on the network – it is run by regular folks who have had enough of the waste in Washington.
Finally, I assume since you called me a “Teabagger” that this is a Freudian slip for your own chosen activities. I’m not sure I would have revealed that much to a total stranger, but whatever you think.
Hell...it would be a good opportunity to infiltrate the teaBAGGERS and bring them down from the inside...thanks for that extra nudge.
Shades of Germany in the 1930s.
Krystal Nacht will happen.
That's what it seems to be building up to.
I think we gotta meet these fascists head on. And physically fight them if necessary.
I've been watching Dana Loesch's metamorphosis for awhile now, and for the life of me I cannot understand what people see in her. She's an okay writer, but nothing stellar. As far as politics go, she whines about how she shouldn't have to support others' health care, but then turns around and asks her readers for donations for her mother-in-law's health problems because they can't afford their medical care. So I guess she figures it's okay to ask other people (and she has the type of sycophantic following around here that causes people to actually donate) to give her money, but she doesn't want to have to give hers to others in need.
It's hypocritical, yet typical. I have found that those who oppose social programs are the first ones to line up when they need them.
I think most worrisome is that she has fooled herself into believing she's in the majority when she isn't. She's noisy about it, so she's broadcasting it far and wide on Twitter, etc. -- and you know how some folks are, if they hear it on a Fox affiliate, they'll believe it.
Racism is almost mandatory for FASCISM to survive. Remember the Aryan myth of white supremecy??? How different is that from the thinly disguised RACISM professed by both the tea-baggers and the 'birthers'. We're in for 31/2 yrs of military 'resistence' to O-bought-ma, just like Carter, they're going to harrass this Black-FacedBush to his political death.
Actually the Aryan is the white supremacist myth, since it's a group of languages best represented by Farsi
Unless you're into Helena Petrovna Blavatsky who had nothing to do with Naziism.
"More disturbing, I thought, was the way the teabaggers used their numbers to shout down their opposition and generally intimidate the town-hall nature of the forum. What was supposed to have been an open discussion of the issues instead became a pushy shoutfest. That's not how democracy works. It's ugly when the left does it, and it's ugly when the right does it too."
Wehn do leftists gather in other peoples' forums to bully and shout them down? I've never seen it. I've seen protestors, generally outside events, protesting these numbnuts, and I've seen them challenge these nutbags with questions, but I've never seen the left shout down the righties.......... When did you?
its called a public OPTION
if you dont want it
you dont have to take it
no one is forcing any health care on you
no ones waving their ziplocked birth certificate in youre face
i am afraid of if they pass it, all of the people that have been living with pain and injuries and tumors, or unknown concerns are going to flood the market and then those against it will say that "see it doesnt work" im not afaraid of them passing it, it will just be sad to see how many people have had to go without treatment because they couldnt afford it, and I AM speaking from experience. then of course there are those types that just want sympathy or have someone pay attention to them, wanting to get catscans of their moles. but thats the mess thats been created because of this unbalance.
Anytime there's a tea party protest happening I'd like to see folks on the opposite side of the line wearing shirts and waving signs that say, "Tea Parties are for Sissies!"
Maybe that'll help shake them at their shallow cores to help these wingnuts question what they're involving themselves with.
Deflection, rationalization...core components to justify racism.
I notice they are now trying to call these "tea parties." Let's be sure to keep hanging their own original title on them...tea baggers.
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