Ex-FBI Official: Mueller Probe 'Has Penetrated The White House'

Last night, Chris Hayes spoke to ex-FBI official Frank Figluzzi, who served under then-FBI Director Robert Mueller.

"What do you make of the actions Monday in terms of what you understand his strategy to be here?" Hayes said.

Figluzzi said there's "clearly a pathway that he's got planned out."

"One of the things that I think we're all realizing is that the Mueller team is much farther along in this investigation and much closer to the Oval Office than many of us realized.

"And what we're learning even today is that people that I call the formers, former White House chief of staff Reince Priebus, former White House spokesman Sean Spicer, former interim national security advisor Keith Kellogg, all voluntarily working with or being interviewed by the Mueller team.

The investigation has 'penetrated into the White House'

"This is a sign that he's penetrated into the White House. These are the people who were savvy, in meetings, privy to knowledge, for example, Reince Priebus was White House chief of staff when Trump decided to fire FBI Director James Comey. What does he know about that? What does he know about Michael Flynn -- and who knew what when?

"But let me tell you something, the appearance of [communications director][/communications] Hope Hicks and the likelihood she's about to be interviewed when he returns from a foreign trip with the president should worry President Trump perhaps more than anything else," Figluzzi said.

Hayes wanted to know why.

"All of the people we just named are formers," Figluzzi said. "They don't have this lovefest with the president. They in fact have issues with the president. Hope Hicks has been with Trump and the Trump organization since 2014. She's a 29-year-old young lady. She's about to undergo the most stressful part of her life, being interviewed by the special counsel team. She sits in the most sensitive meetings, the most critical media interviews the president has. She knows more than we think she knows."

(He won't say it, so I will. Hicks' personal relationship with Trump is the subject of much rumor and speculation.)


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Hayes talked about the stories we heard this week.

"They're so strange, right? So you've got the approach at Trump Tower, and the manager for the rock star who's the son of an oligarch says, oh, the Kremlin wants to help your dad get elected. Here we've got Papadopoulos saying 'I met this professor in London and he's talking to people in the Kremlin.' As someone who worked in counterintelligence, what do those look like to you?" he said.

Who uses the Cyprus Bank to launder money?

"You see the fingerprints of the Russian government here. Papadopoulos meets with a professor, who just happens to be able to hook you up with a Russian government ministry of foreign affairs official. Ministry of foreign affairs is often a cover position for Russian intel," Figluzzi said.

"He meets a woman who claims she's related to Vladimir Putin. We find out from the Mueller team she's not. Then we see Manafort and Gates representing Ukrainian pro-Russian presidential candidate. The party is pro-Russia. They are told to put their money for consulting in a Cyprus bank. Who uses the Cyprus bank to launder money? The Russian intelligence service."

Hayes asked about Manafort's passports. "In a little more than ten years, Manafort -- this is from some of the charging documents, has submitted ten United States passport applications on ten different occasions. He currently has three U.S. passports with different numbers. Have you heard of anything like that before?"

"The guy travels a lot, but there's way too many passports going on here," Figluzzi said. "And again, I think he got a primer on how the Russians can influence a campaign when he represented the Ukrainian candidate, and he saw what Russia could do to manipulate a campaign and he liked it."

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