Convenient Patriotism
Since the president announced on Friday that he'd be sending an additional 4,000 troops to Afghanistan, I've heard quite a bit of far-right undermining of the commander-in-chief while our soldiers are in harm's way. Just some reminders of what I thought was the rule regarding this behavior:
"The only ideas that they espouse are ways to undermine the troops in harm's way and undermine their commander in chief while they're at war. Your candidates have no idea how to keep this economy strong."
"He’s the Commander-in-Chief. And what I find frankly repugnant about you and some of your fellow Democrats – you have undermined our president..."
"You know, Norman, those comments while we are at war, while troops are in harm's way, while he is the commander in chief, do you not see the outrage in that?"
"I have had it with members of your party undermining our troops, undermining a commander in chief while we are at war..."
"You don't criticize the Commander-in-Chief in the middle of a firefight. That could be construed as putting U.S. forces in jeopardy and undermining morale."
"Can we do it without distorting their legacies and pandering to anti-American elites worldwide and using their deaths to embarrass and undermine our commander in chief?"
"On the other hand, if Speaker Nancy Pelosi and the Democrat Congress are successful in undermining the commander-in-chief..."
"And furthermore, one of the fundamental principles we have in America is that the president is the commander in chief of the armed forces and attempts to undermine the commander in chief during time of war amounts to treason."
I hasten to note that criticizing the president during wartime is fine. Hypocrisy, on the other hand, isn't. You either unequivocally support the president in wartime or you don't. You can't have it both ways, wingnuts.
IOKIYAR.
You should know that!
...You get to have both ways!
....that the rules of engagement apply to these asswipes. Evidently they don't. They have conveniently forgotten all the shenanigans that went on over the last eight years.
NOISES !!!!! REALLY LOUD NOISES !!!!!
Oh yeah, from Glenn Beck's silly 9-12 thingy:
Funny how that works isn't it. We were called traitors for saying a lot less than what these guys are now saying.
In respect to Afghanistan, I've been struck by the overall silence of the wignuts. Probably because they know that any criticism of Obama at this time only serves to remind us how the Republicans massively bungled it. Afghanistan, yet another Bad Republican Gift which just keeps on giving....unfortunately.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/...
This is what we're supporting? Guess that's a bit better than the sport of shooting women at soccer arenas, but either way, it's one mess of a place.
the fair weather fiends.
And yes, they will.
Hypocrisy from the right wing?
No way! I would NEVER imagine that could happen!
I'm beginning to have more faith in the ability of the average citizen to detect the bullshit and hypocrisy coming from the right, and to reject it.
For a while there, though, I had some serious doubts.
Question: What do all of these yahoo's lack?
to Obama, my Democratic senators and Republican representative on Friday...
"President Obama what has changed in Afghanistan that is going to make it possible for you to succeed in your mission against The Taliban when the Soviet Union with 500,000 troops and a shared border were driven out without achieving their objectives?"
Thus far the silence is deafening.
Afghanistan is known as the grave-yard of empires. You think Z-Big might've mentioned this to Barry by now, you think?
Speaking of hypocracy, remember when the left was opposed to Foreign Wars on behalf of Corporate Business Interests?? What 'changed'?
Rothbard > Rothschild
You need to work on your reading comprehension, or perhaps check into a rehab.
(unless you mean Obama, who isn't really "left" with a choice)
Political partisans pointing out the hypocrisies of political partisans is, yes, hypocritical. Thanks for playing.
Rothbard > Rothschild
Obama has a choice.
And he has made it.
Now he, and we, have to live with it.
He may have mentioned it to Barry.
I know some intelligent people did.
But Barry ain't listenin'.
And to answer your question... there ain't no left or no right. Just different advertising agencies using different techniques to sell the same product. To paraphrase the Bard of Avon and Mr. Barnum, "What chumps these morons be and they be born every minute."
where is this organisation of which you speak? People who are truly 'left' or 'progressive' aren't for the Afghan war. Just because someone describes themselves as a certain type, doesn't make it so.
me-oww!
When i say 'left' im referring to the Blind-supporters of Obama, who act as apologists for his actions, even when they are continuations of Bush policy.
Anti-war people know better than to ally themselves with either party, or atleast i hope they do by now...
(BTW, you kicked major ass on the Monsanto thread. Kudos!)
Rothbard > Rothschild
this site fails to take Obama to task for being a warmonger.
It's like here's the perfect chance for the democrats to hold their golden-man's feet to the flame, and instead, this opportunity is used to remind everyone about how bad the repugs are. (as if we need a reminder..)
Its really really juvenile, and im wondering when the adults are going to step up and lead a genuine resistance against Executive war-making, regardless of whether its a Democrat or Republican in office.
Rothbard > Rothschild
Where are the adults?
Where are people who care about their children?
Where are the people who care about other people's children?
"Good afternoon. Let me begin by saying that although this has been billed as an anti-war rally, I stand before you as someone who is not opposed to war in all circumstances. The Civil War was one of the bloodiest in history, and yet it was only through the crucible of the sword, the sacrifice of multitudes, that we could begin to perfect this union, and drive the scourge of slavery from our soil. I don't oppose all wars."
[Remarks of Illinois State Sen. Barack Obama]
Study the symptoms not the virus...
"These extremist sects appeal to many people in an antispiritual age because they combine their empowering theology with a warm, supportive environment, at least at first. Those who join become part of a close-knit body of believers who are convinced they understand the meaning of history and what the future holds."
[Bruce Nelan, Time Magazine]
Study the symptoms not the virus...
"(BTW, you kicked major ass on the Monsanto thread. Kudos!)"
Would that be the (1st) Monsanto thread... Or the amended one?
Study the symptoms not the virus...
i have on good authority that whats changed is [we have an inteligent comander in chief] so its ok to be a war criminal now!
We're fighting. We're killing. Our soldiers are being killed.
But --- "war"? Declared by what governmental body?
This is an executive decision - based on bullshit.
George Bernard Shaw, when attacked for criticizing the British government during World War I, replied, "If we give up the most sharp and severe criticism of our leaders on Monday, by Tuesday the troops will be wearing cardboard boots."
I must say.
Study the symptoms not the virus...
Reslugs are sure in total lockstep with their Faux Noise daily talking points, except they were all ignornant lies as usual.
Those big patriots are always at the back waving there flags! Yapping there big mouths! They are big fucking cowards! Ever imagine Beck at the front? he'll be shell shocked with his freakish crying eyes!
Boohoo!
"Sweet is war to those who know it not."
Edit: Hannity will piss his pants!
Stupid fucks!
Bite my shiny metal ass.
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I don't give a toss.
Then please stop using the term "the left" when describing Obama's supporters. I'm definitely a liberal (hence, "left") and have never supported the increase of troops in Afghanistan. And neither have any on "the left."
In case it isn't downright obvious, Obama ISN'T "left" he's a centrist. You're offending all of us on "the left" in your blanket statement the we support his war. We do not.
(Oops. This was supposed to be in reply to mjULTRA above. Please view it as such.)
You are right (sadly), he's not left (or progressive). I'm not a Liberal, i'm a Socialist. A liberal is a centrist in my eyes!
I have no solution for Afghanistan!
Bite my shiny metal ass.
http://www.startalkradio.net/
I don't give a toss.
I think you'll find "it's an open book test"... with the answers Extremely hard to locate?
Study the symptoms not the virus...
your right obama is not a lefty, hes a right of center as they come! as was clinton and mccain!
The day an left atheist (or even an left Christian) is going to be President is the day hell freezes over! ;)
Bite my shiny metal ass.
http://www.startalkradio.net/
I don't give a toss.
Both military incursions are invasions of sovereign states. Congress has not declared war. Those who order these invasions are war criminals. Take it from there.
"Secular humanism -- a fearless, realistic world view replete with doubt and scepticism that attempts to attain an unachievable state of equilibrium between and among the human qualities of reason, intuition, imagination, memory, ethics and common sense.
Is there a link in the article showing right-wingers having problems with the prez? I'd post this link but without having that to back it up, no way. Help me out.
It's Sierra Nevada Torepdo tonight! wow.
never mind it doesnt 'fit' him at all. hes nothing but a patriotic fashion disaster.
On Real Time with Bill Maher, he had on two guests, Christopher Hitchens and Salman Rushdie, who both said that the only people on earth desiring to possess a nuclear device so that they can immediately explode it, is Islamic extremists.
The most concentrated hotbed of these extremists is Afghanistan and Pakistan. There was an international meeting in the Hague today about it. The Ruskies are worried about it too.
I think the Iraq war was stupid, by itself and because we put the war in Afghanistan on hold to fight Iraq. I think we missed our best window of opportunity to deal with the matter by not finishing what we started while Musharraf was in power. Now the central government of Pakistan is weaker, and resolving Afghanistan is a lot more problematic because the enemy can run over the border into Pakistan.
So, I think the final proof of the stupidity of the Iraq war may yet come in the form of a mushroom cloud, originating from the Pakistan arsenal and exploded by Islamic extremists. And I will blame Bush, and these Republican sycophants if that happens because they prioritized Iraq over Afghanistan. But if Obama doesn't try to knock extremists in Afghanistan down a peg or two, I'll blame him too.
Now, yep, maybe these people wouldn't have a bug up their ass if we had a different Israel policy, but that goes nowhere. We're the reality based group and our Israel policy and Middle East oil policy is what it is. Given that, the last thing we need to do is reinstate the jungle jims in Afghanistan for Bin Laden.
Speaking of these wingnuts - I specifically trusted the judgment of the French about Iraq over the armchair warriors of the Bush administration and these wingnut pundits. I don't know why the American people couldn't recognize the BS and propaganda coming from the corporate media.
he doesn't CARE what the situation was more than A MINUTE AND A HALF AGO. He will say ANYTHING that will pump up his own EGO and wave his "GOD is RIGHT" flag, regardless if it has anything to do with reality... or not... don't matter.
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