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Rumsfeld with George Stephanopoulos :

Q: Let me press the question. How long will it take to get enought security forces to secure Iraq?

A: It's not knowable

Q: Why not?

A: We don't know the behavior of Iran and Syria. We don't know if the political process it going to tip people away from supporting the insurgency. We got a clue when you saw people standing in line to vote.

Next, the money flow. The people causing the trouble are Baathists, jihadists, and criminals who are doing it for money. So if money flow is restricted... you need economic progress. That will determine the level of the insurgency.

Q: But those are a lot of ifs.

A: Of course, that's life.

Q: So you can set no expectations for the Am public right now.

A: I can say that as the Iraqi security forces grow, some are well trained, others just came out, there's another 15,000 currently in training. People are trying to complexify it.