As the time ticked away before the start of the first presidential debate of 2016, MSNBC's Chris Mathews asked Trump's running mate Gov. Mike Pence, if Trump would be able to debate "without doing the other stuff, the ethnic stuff."
Donald Trump has had a difficult time getting the African American community to buy into his racist and demeaning ideas since he's polling about 7%.
His outreach has often been comical and insulting and he's never faced an African American audience that wasn't a staged photo op.
And holding a press conference to declare that the first African American president, Barack Obama is really a U.S. citizen was bizarre and despicable and didn't sit well with the black community either.
Instead of just asking about Trump's racism, Matthews phrased it in a really odd manner.
Mathews asked, "You know, he's had a great ability to tap into the dissatisfaction of the country, and certainly he's done that. He got the nomination largely because of his ability to connect to that.
He continued, "How does he do that tonight without doing the other stuff, the ethnic stuff that has gotten him into trouble and gotten him off-message. How does he do it?
Mike Pence replied, "I think Donald Trump tonight is going to seize this opportunity to really lay out, lay out his vision for the future. and I really do think -- look, these are two very worthy candidates. They're going to take to the stage and it's not just a choice between two candidates. I would argue it's a choice between two paths and it's really a choice between two futures.
To be honest, this is the first time Mike Pence or anybody from the Trump campaign has described Hillary Clinton as a worthy candidate and Pence never addressed Matthews' question about Trump's problems with American minorities.