Juan Williams defends Limbaugh by bringing on two other right-wing bigots
By David Neiwert Saturday Oct 17, 2009 10:00am
Sure enough, just as Nicole wondered, Juan Williams was pretty bent out of shape over Warren Ballentine's calling him out -- using black cultural lingo -- for being such a willing supplicant to the "Limbaugh is being oppressed by mean black people" meme currently popular in right-wing circles.
So who does he bring on to buttress his claim that liberals are being bigots? Why, none other than Tammy Bruce and ... the Rev. Ken Hutcherson!
Bruce is bad enough. This is the person who called Michelle Obama "trash" and opined that "President Obama has some malevolence toward this country". She's also suggested that torture is no worse than a bad day in West Hollywood. We also remember her classy tweet on learning of Ted Kennedy's death: "[He] left a woman to drown and now he's left us to drown." In other words, hardly an ideal person to be claiming a lack of civility from the left.
But Hutcherson? That's rich.
Folks outside the Seattle area may not know a lot about Hutcherson, so
they just see him as a black conservative. Which is common enough, especially on Fox. It's more genuine than being a fake liberal like Williams, at least.
But he's also one of the most prominent anti-gay bigots in the state, and for that matter on the West Coast.
This is a man who told his flock that "God hates effeminate men".
He also headed up an initiative to legalize anti-gay discrimination in Washington state. (It went down in flames.)
Of even deeper concern is his heavy involvement in promoting a virulent and violent anti-gay organization called Watchmen on the Walls. This is a global evangelical-Christian outfit that, elsewhere in the world (particularly in Eastern Europe) is associated with violent anti-gay hate crimes.
I reported on a Watchmen gathering in nearby Lynnwood a couple of years ago (photos here). I also remember his sermon very clearly:
Hutcherson's talk was similarly soothing, following the "hate the sin but love the sinner" reasoning common among fundamentalists, but clearly belying his own war-oriented rhetoric and the talk of gay "abomination" pervasive among the Watchmen.
"I don't believe all discrimination is wrong," he said. "I discriminate based on what is right. God discriminates too.
"Today, disagreement means hate. If I disagree with you, I hate you. Evidently, God is the biggest hater in the world. The first thing we Christians need to take back is the right to disagree."
Of course, if it were only disagreement -- and not condemnation and eliminationism -- that Hutcherson and the Watchmen on the Walls were proffering this weekend, no one would have minded. But it wasn't.
The odd thing about hearing this kind of lame rationale from Hutcherson is that he is an African American man. As it happens, I've listened to a sermon that used nearly identical logic -- that discrimination isn't about hate if God commands it in the Bible -- at least once before. It was delivered by the late Rev. Richard Butler at an annual Aryan Nations Congress in Hayden Lake, Idaho. And he was talking about black people.
Hutcherson also believes that laws against anti-gay discrimination are different than those against racial discrimination because the latter is "an immutable characteristic" while the former is "a chosen behavior." (The problem with that rationale, of course, is that those same laws cover anti-religious discrimination. Is religion an "immutable characteristic", or a "chosen behavior"?)
In any event, Hutcherson is scorned not because he's a conservative, but because he is a bigot himself. Which is bad enough in any American, but incredibly obtuse for an African American.
Which makes him a perfect complement to Juan Williams.
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...having to prostitute himself and his progressive-leanings in order to receive that Fox paycheck.
in the South, the stronghold of the current GOP base. Im gonna guess not too many. And yes, for him, I mean all the implied whatevers with my use of the word 'porches'.
used the way Ballantine uses it, it means that Juan needs to go back to his roots because he's forgotten that he is African American living in America. Hutcherson is a fool if he can be Rush's friend knowing what Rush says about AAs and other Americans everyday.
Juan Williams is the epitome of a Uncle Tom. Hiding behind "political correctness" to maintain employment as a servant/spokesblackperson for bigoted values. Williams also used the Clarence Thomas phantom race card playbook to change the simple fact that Limbaugh was rejected from the NFL because he is divisive and a career racist.
Nice try Juan, taking the sword for your master Rush by trying to make your plight as a misunderstood black man the issue.
Sad is really an understatement.
Rush as a victim.
Makes me laugh.
he does not have a right to own an nfl team; he is too polarizing and that will effect the bottom line; it can really be that simple and I believe it is.it was not the nfl that rejected his bid but his partners who obviously are more fiscally grounded than rush who dropped him. you are correct it is laughable to try and paint rush as victim he has too much money and power to have folks feel his pain.
Google Tammy Bruce, had no idea who she is, love the pictures of her cozying up with a gun.
As far as Hutcherson goes. and anyone that claims to speak for God, he should submit to a psych eval and a lie detector test because he's either crazy, a liar or perhaps both. I'm always astounded at the blacks that want to hate on the gays, it's really pretty fascinating.
perhapsmore than likely bothNow I believe she is the female Dick Morris.
Calling yourself a liberal is proof of how full of shit you are. I guess at Fox the racists are so fucking stupid that anyone in blackface is assumed to be a liberal.
If Juan Williams is liberal, so is Alan Keyes .
self-haters are the most dangerous people of all.
I know this fellow black lawyer who when he's among us black folk he does this phony transparent black panther routine. When he gets in the company of predominately white people he recites what he believes to be Republican talking points, cringing and laughing at unfunny comments. I finally told him to stay the fuck away from me before his self hatred rubbed off.
It's the same feeling you get around gay Rethugs. It's truly sick and sad.
Gay Republicans.
Sheesh.
The analogy of a Jewish Nazi is so direct it's not even deniable.
Mo Rage
The Blog
I refer to gay Republicans as "Ernst Röhm Appreciation Society members".
My experience is . . .
Racists hardly ever admit to being racists.
They know in their heart of hearts it is all about just being different . . . see no racism there at all!
They need to be reminded we all came from the same monkey in Africa.
Having eliminated television from my life years ago I never see these interviews so I appreciate the videos. That said I never in my life will donate a dime to NPR or public broadcasting so long as Juan Williams and Cokie Roberts are paid to perform on those networks.
It's outrageous. I spend my money on local progressive broadcasting like KBCS here in the Seattle area.
I concur completely. Think globally; act locally.
KMUN-FM in Astoria, Oregon, is another worthy cause. Serves the community.
...has already destroyed any credibility he once had as a journalist. When he shows up on NPR, I turn off the radio.
NPR should consider this.
and Mara Liason are the reasons I no longer give to NPR.
If he is all powerful . . .
What's up with foreskins?
uses them for stem cell research.
http://www.thebricktestament.com/david_vs_sau...
and
http://www.thebricktestament.com/genesis/rape...
and
http://www.thebricktestament.com/joshua/secon...
Caution: Please do not drink liquid while reading this slide show; you might spew it all over your keyboard and screen.
Dave said:
"...a global evangelical-Christian outfit..."
No, it's talibangelical.
Say it with me:
tal-i-ban-gel-i-cal
Carry on...
Why is it when a cracker asswipe Repub judge refuses to marry a black man and a white woman, there is massive outrage and calls for expulsion? Yet when two MEN or two WOMEN want to be married, there is massive screeching and filling of diapers, and it's okay to refuse to follow any enacted marriage law.
Just askin'.
...of bigotry.
You nailed it.
fakes.
There are only four negroes in the country that think Limbaugh likes them...are all of these "Magic Negroes"? What are they thinkin'....man?
Puff The Magic Dragon
... how someone who individually or as a demography, has been discriminated against is able to discriminate against another group.
Hate is infectious.
It spreads like wildfire - worse than the flu.
...George Wallace only friend before he died was another ignorant black dude.
There is progress.
Just 42 years ago mixed race marriage was illegal in 36 states.
*and the beat goes on . . . *
If you want to make Rush look sane bring on worse idiots to make him look good by comparison.
Leave it to the right wing to hurl stones and spew venom, but whenever someone tried to fight back, the right cowers behind rocks and cries victim...
It's a tactic of the right wing Christians- They spew the most hateful venom about women and gays, but when anyone challenges them, the right claims they are the ones being persecuted..It's that martyr complex, it's a cornerstone of their death cult......
And of course Rush the racist can only get the most radical right wingers to support him...To the rest of Western civiliation, America looks very much like parts of the middle east- sharing a lust for guns, wallowing in ignorance, being war mongers, pushing religious zealotry and promoting and causing violence.....I'm beginning to think mabey this country is doomed...If the right does eventually take over, i'm leaving for good...
I don't undestand radical right wing African Americans....they seem to be the embodiment of 'house negros',in opposing any efforts to disrupt the white male Christian control of political power...
They are a bit like the gay Log Cabin Republicans- they support a party that will always see them as 2nd class citizens, if not sub human...
and left-wing just because he was on NPR.
Yikes, did I discover differently. What an asshole. What an idiot. What a traitor.
Mo Rage
The Blog
both are faux conservatives because it pays the bills
Juan is hired for his lack of ability to challenge. Juan knows that he must kiss ass to keep his job. FOX thinks that hiring a weak black person is enough to say they are fair and balanced. Juan is the perfect prop for FOX to put out the fake image of being fair and balanced.
journalistic integrity goes to die.
She is also not too happy with butterscotch and tollbooths.
I've never heard of Hutcherson, but I've heard Tammy Bruce on talk radio. She's a vile, right winger who's full of the usual talking points. She somehow gets away with calling herself a feminist and it gets her on some talk shows. But she's about as much of a feminist as Ann Coulter.
Nothing I hate more than self-loathing gays.
She appears on Fox because:
1. She's attractive. For a woman, that's a prerequisite to appear on FOX.
2. She's a gay who shits on other gays by pandering to the right-wing homophobes who watch FOX.
"Sure I'm gay. However, it's perfectly OK if you FOX viewers want to hate me. Heck, I hate myself! I'm just happy to appear on this network and make piles of cash off of the crappy books I write in which I bash the left and others who make it possible for me to appear in public without being tied to a fence and beaten within an inch of my life."
F*****g sell-out.
Embrace the hate.
You know who I hate?
Laplanders. Oh:and Australian Aborigines.
They've definitely got something cookin'.
someone mentioned that the personnel over at FOX have no sense of humor. I never notice until now but you're right - there is no laughing or humor on FOX Theatre of the wicked.
If anyone has a clip to show i'm wrong i'd be interested.
It's not like i watch the crap or expect anyone else to either, but short clips to ridicule are fun and educational.
Because you Republic*nts never did that with Clinton or Kerry. On a related note, Rush is the gift that keeps on giving. Oh, and the Youtube version.
for sharing. How kind of you!! lol!!!
Was Ballentine invited back to defend his statement? Probably not. Why? Because Williams is coward and didn't have the nerve to debate him. Instead of inviting him back for a one on one, he has one 2 others on with his same point of view. WOW! Now THAT's what a REAL man does!!
Mr. Ballentine said Juan needs to "get back to the porch." I say he never left it..
Because he's a good boy who knows his place among his betters.
I'm sure he gets paid well for it and he probably values the money more than his pride/ manhood.
Now I know some background! Last November, when gay marriage was on the ballot, my daughter, and her boyfriend, went out protesting the night before the election. (We live in Sacramento.) She said there were TONS of Ukranian immigrants, protesting that proposition that legalized gay marriage.
Of course, the whole Ukranian family was there. The men were pigs. The women had their children with them -- all SILENT -- there to hold the protest signs. Those pigs were horrid. They'd shout at all the women in cars, saying disgusting things to them, like "I want to F**K you!" and then talking to each other in their native language. I'm not sure what language it was, but it was close to Russian. I know this because a friend of my daughter's was there and could understand what they were saying. (They assumed that no one could understand them.) He finally said, in Russian, "Why are you being so nasty?" They were shocked that an American could understand them.
But of course, all they could scream at the counter protesters was "Go to CHURCH and pray for forgiveness!" When my daughter said she was Christian and that Jesus loved gays, they were speechless.
Hearing Juan Williams call himself a Liberal is like listening to fingernails on a blackboard.
Wow Juan!!! You could have a least gotten someone from the left so you could have a real conversation.... Instead of another Uncle Tom and a piece of Trash....
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